LDS letter on same-sex marriage (homosexuality, choice, evolution, sexuality)

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

No, it's not a hormonal imbalance. It's not any kind of imbalance. Some people are left-handed, some people are brilliant, some people are red-haired, and some people are homosexual. I don't need any help, thanks; I'm perfectly gay all on my own. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but it's called reality.

What does brilliance got to do with anything that I posted? I notice that you have brought up this several times, there are brilliant people that are left handed but their left-handedness is not the cause of their brilliance, there mentally ill people that are brilliant, there are people of colour , there are even retarded people that are brilliant, and there are homosexual that are brilliant, none of this is caused by the above traits. I know that it’s impossible for you to grasp this, but your behaviours are not consider natural by the majority and certainly not on par with the marriage of a man to a woman, that is called reality, there is no third sex in the human species, proposition 8 just restored the definition of marriage, bans the issue of marriage certificates to people of the same sex, it does not ban homosexuality.

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by Autodidact

Hold on to your chair, emiliano, because you don't seem to be familiar with this concept, and it's a huge, revolutionary idea that can change your world. It's called love.

Brilliant! Let see there is love for your fellowman, does this mean that I should married all of those that a feel love for? There is filial love, paternal love, maternal love, fraternal love, should we marry them all, we love animals, furnisher, toy , motor car, our jobs, etc. Should we have a right to show our commitment and marry them all?

[darkendless]

Originally Posted by emiliano

Brilliant! Let see there is love for your fellowman, does this mean that I should married all of those that a feel love for? There is filial love, paternal love, maternal love, fraternal love, should we marry them all, we love animals, furnisher, toy , motor car, our jobs, etc. Should we have a right to show our commitment and marry them all?

The love we feel for other human beings we connect with i think Autodidact meant there, but you know what she is talking about, why the theatrics? You're being too technical for your own good trying to defend a point.

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by darkendless

The love we feel for other human beings we connect with i think Autodidact meant there, but you know what she is talking about, why the theatrics? You're being too technical for your own good trying to defend a point.

Thanks darken, I am sorry for the theatrics, it is just she has brought this subject several times before, that homosexuality makes you brilliant. I am glad that you get it and hope the she does as well, you are not married so I don’t think that you could help, but the truth is that we get married driven initially by an instinct to multiply, physical attraction or erotic love, culture and tradition modifies this to higher and higher standards, that’s how we make it last beyond the time where our physical appearance changes and our drive decreases, hope the this isn’t too technical.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by emiliano

Thanks darken, I am sorry for the theatrics, it is just she has brought this subject several times before, that homosexuality makes you brilliant.

That's not what she's saying at all.

[painted wolf]

If the only reason you married was for erotic/procreative reasons, then you need to re-examine your life.

I married out of a deep respect and adoration for my mate. (And we could share our work benefits) Reproduction didn't play into it. Sexual attraction may make me look at someone but it sure doesn't make me want to get to know them or stick around.

wa:do

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by Storm

That's not what she's saying at all.

Didn’t she say that I should be thankful to the brilliant mathematician that won WW II? “you owe a debt to Alan Turing, a homosexual, who played a huge part in defeating the Nazis” and got we into the same argument.
“you have benefited by the work of homosexuals, I promise you” I really didn’t know anything about this fellow and I argued that it was not his homosexuality that made him a brilliant mathematician. So sorry but you a wrong!

[emiliano]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

If the only reason you married was for erotic/procreative reasons, then you need to re-examine your life.

I married out of a deep respect and adoration for my mate. (And we could share our work benefits) Reproduction didn't play into it. Sexual attraction may make me look at someone but it sure doesn't make me want to get to know them or stick around.

wa:do

Somehow I confused you, I said that at first our attraction in seeking a partner is instinctive, obviously you are a better man than I was in my youth, I was a real ***, with a one way mind, I lied, promised, persisted till I got my way, that went on till I married, I changed in a way that even I could not understand, I renounced to all, I repented of the things I did, my thought were changed, we have our first child and 14 month later another, both girls, now I have 3 grandchildren, I don’t drink in excess, I don’t smoke, I became a new man, but I not going to be an hypocrite and say that I didn’t try to get my way with the one is now my wife, she was so beautiful, I just had to have her, even if it meant that I had to marry her. And that was what I had to do, but she changed my life for the better. God has been so good to me, so merciful, he changed me and He did it in such a wonderful way, He did it trough the institution that He Himself established “marriage“.

[Sententia]

Originally Posted by emiliano

Somehow I confused you, I said that at first our attraction in seeking a partner is instinctive, obviously you are a better man than I was in my youth, I was a real ***, with a one way mind, I lied, promised, persisted till I got my way, that went on till I married, I changed in a way that even I could not understand, I renounced to all, I repented of the things I did, my thought were changed, we have our first child and 14 month later another, both girls, now I have 3 grandchildren, I don’t drink in excess, I don’t smoke, I became a new man, but I not going to be an hypocrite and say that I didn’t try to get my way with the one is now my wife, she was so beautiful, I just had to have her, even if it meant that I had to marry her. And that was what I had to do, but she changed my life for the better. God has been so good to me, so merciful, he changed me and He did it in such a wonderful way, He did it trough the institution that He Himself established “marriage“.

Woo hoo! And if you found out your wife was a male would that matter?

Take a page from the god you believe in and try not to enforce your religious beliefs on others. Gay and lesbian people have just as much right to be happy.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by emiliano

...but the truth is that we get married driven initially by an instinct to multiply, physical attraction or erotic love, culture and tradition modifies this to higher and higher standards, that’s how we make it last beyond the time where our physical appearance changes and our drive decreases, hope the this isn’t too technical.

So, how does oxytocin figure into what you're saying? I hope the question isn't too technical.