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Old 07-03-2008, 11:15 AM
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Coherence.
Incoherence might be a mark of non-valid religion, but coherence doesn't necessarily imply that a religion is valid... or even that it's more valid than some other incoherent one.
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:19 AM
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I think he meant truth itself.
And I'm asking what that is.
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:27 AM
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Incoherence might be a mark of non-valid religion, but coherence doesn't necessarily imply that a religion is valid... or even that it's more valid than some other incoherent one.
You're welcome to think so ...
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Old 07-03-2008, 11:34 AM
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And I'm asking what that is.
I'm always surprised by folks who don't know what truth is, but judging by the state of the world, there must be a lot of them.
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Old 07-03-2008, 01:16 PM
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They can't all be right... right?

I know this sounds like I'm opening a can of worms (maybe I am) but this is a debate forum after all, so tell me, why is your faith correct, while others are wrong?
Why can't they all be right? Holy texts from what I've seen only guide followers by laying some ground rules. But in essence, if you look at the core values of all the major and many minor religions, they all have pretty much the same ideas, just presented with different words.
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It sounds to me like you are making the assumption that there actually is a valid religion. Why can't religion in general be invalid? And to answer your question, the reason my "faith" (science) is valid because I can physically show you how it works. There is no "you have to believe in it first to see it happen" business in science folks. It is what it is, no matter what you or anyone else "believes."
Not actually true. Science is still growing and in essence still in infancy. (don't forget the acceptance of science is relatively new; remember when everything in the universe acted like a clock?) Our mathematical calculations at the moment may make sense to us, but in the future, I guarantee people will look at this time period and laugh. Their technology will be more sophisticated, there will be new means of calculation, and we'll know more about the physical world than we do now.

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Old 07-03-2008, 03:57 PM
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Ah... so coherence is a guarantee of some measure of validity?
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Ah... so coherence is a guarantee of some measure of validity?
Validity is different from truth. If a belief system is coherent then that is the same as saying that it is valid. We can have multiple valid belief systems even though only 1 can be true.

However, given the context of the OP, I think truth was meant rather than validity. On the other hand, we can't have truth without validity so coherence is definitely important.

I suggest that testimony, evidence and personal experience are other key factors.
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