"Polytheism" and "Monotheism" the same?

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

I will next time I can. I don't have access to them just now.

...How exactly would I cite an audio tape, though?

Audiobook:
Author Last Name, Author First Name. Title. Narrator. Format. Publisher, Release Date. Name of Service. Name of Service Provider. Date Accessed .

Examples
Audiobook with one author and one narrator:
Dickens, Charles. Great Expectations. Narr. Frederick Davidson. Audiobook Download. Blackstone Audiobooks, 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 21 November 2006 .
London, Jack. The Call of the Wild. Narr. Michael Kramer. Audiobook Download. Sound Room Publishers, Inc., 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 19 November 2006 .

Audiobook with one author and one narrator that is part of a series:
Proust, Marcel. The Captive (Part I). Naxos Audiobooks recording of Remembrance of Things Past, vol. 9. Narr. Neville Jason. Audiobook Download. Naxos AudioBooks, 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 15 November 2006 <http://lnoca.lib.overdrive.com>.

Audiobook with two or three authors and/or narrators:
Roosevelt, Theodore, Henry Cabot Lodge and Patrick Cullen. Hero Tales. Audiobook Download. Blackstone Audiobooks, 2004. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 21 November 2006 .

Audiobook with four or more authors and/or narrators:
Soames, Nicolas et al. Famous People in History II. Audiobook Download. Naxos AudioBooks, 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 15 November 2006 .

SOURCE

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Audiobook:
Author Last Name, Author First Name. Title. Narrator. Format. Publisher, Release Date. Name of Service. Name of Service Provider. Date Accessed .

Examples
Audiobook with one author and one narrator:
Dickens, Charles. Great Expectations. Narr. Frederick Davidson. Audiobook Download. Blackstone Audiobooks, 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 21 November 2006 .
London, Jack. The Call of the Wild. Narr. Michael Kramer. Audiobook Download. Sound Room Publishers, Inc., 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 19 November 2006 .

Audiobook with one author and one narrator that is part of a series:
Proust, Marcel. The Captive (Part I). Naxos Audiobooks recording of Remembrance of Things Past, vol. 9. Narr. Neville Jason. Audiobook Download. Naxos AudioBooks, 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 15 November 2006 <http://lnoca.lib.overdrive.com>.

Audiobook with two or three authors and/or narrators:
Roosevelt, Theodore, Henry Cabot Lodge and Patrick Cullen. Hero Tales. Audiobook Download. Blackstone Audiobooks, 2004. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 21 November 2006 .

Audiobook with four or more authors and/or narrators:
Soames, Nicolas et al. Famous People in History II. Audiobook Download. Naxos AudioBooks, 2005. OverDrive School Download Library. Lakeshore Northeast Ohio Computer Association. 15 November 2006 .

SOURCE

Thanks.

[Azakel]

Originally Posted by Paraprakrti

I know this will be controversial...

I would argue that either what we're calling "polytheism" is essentially monotheism or polytheism is simply atheism in semantic disguise.

I doubt it, there are some religion that go back that far that one could like at that are Polytheist(and I mean the Hard kind). One reason we can know is that there are still people the Worship that way from the old ways. Good example, Shinto, each living thing is a has a Kami(doesn't just mean Spirit but also Gods), There are many of God in Shinto and they are all there own individual being. There are other but I know Shinto and that goes far back within the culture of Japan.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

Thanks.

I was actually looking to post the website where you input the info and it generates a citation for you, but cannot remember what it is called.

Here it is:
Son of Citation Machine

My wife remembers it cause she is still using it.

[Paraprakrti]

Originally Posted by Azakel

I doubt it, there are some religion that go back that far that one could like at that are Polytheist(and I mean the Hard kind). One reason we can know is that there are still people the Worship that way from the old ways. Good example, Shinto, each living thing is a has a Kami(doesn't just mean Spirit but also Gods), There are many of God in Shinto and they are all there own individual being. There are other but I know Shinto and that goes far back within the culture of Japan.

What does "god" mean for Shintoism?

My argument concerns the definitions of these words more than it does history. For example, I follow Vedic religion wherein Hiranyakasipu appealed to Lord Brahma. However, Hiranyakasipu is considered an atheist. Now, if we're calling Brahma a "god" then there is some apparent contradiction. To understand how this works, one should ask two questions: 1) What qualifies a being like Brahma as a god? And the follow-up question, 2) Does understanding Brahma bereft of this qualification still constitute theism for the believer?

From a short article I read, the Shinto 'kami' was later equated with the Sanskrit 'deva.' So I think this comparison with Brahma is fitting. Hiranyakasipu worshipped a deva, yet he is widely considered to be atheist. There is obviously something that we are missing here.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Paraprakrti

What does "god" mean for Shintoism?

My argument concerns the definitions of these words more than it does history. For example, I follow Vedic religion wherein Hiranyakasipu appealed to Lord Brahma. However, Hiranyakasipu is considered an atheist. Now, if we're calling Brahma a "god" then there is some apparent contradiction. To understand how this works, one should ask two questions: 1) What qualifies a being like Brahma as a god? And the follow-up question, 2) Does understanding Brahma bereft of this qualification still constitute theism for the believer?

From a short article I read, the Shinto 'kami' was later equated with the Sanskrit 'deva.' So I think this comparison with Brahma is fitting. Hiranyakasipu worshipped a deva, yet he is widely considered to be atheist. There is obviously something that we are missing here.

Otaku trivia!!

From what I understand from watching too much anime, (jk) the word "Kami" is closer to "spirit" than the English word "god." I don't follow the Shinto religion, so I'm not really sure, but "loyalty" as far as I know isn't an issue.

[Paraprakrti]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

Otaku trivia!!

From what I understand from watching too much anime, (jk) the word "Kami" is closer to "spirit" than the English word "god." I don't follow the Shinto religion, so I'm not really sure, but "loyalty" as far as I know isn't an issue.

And even if they call them "gods," I don't think this alone qualifies as theism. Devas might be worshipped by other devas but they also might be worshipped by asuras. Hiranyakasipu was an asura, or atheist. Brahma was a deva because of his being a sura, or theist. In other words, Brahma is considered as a "god" or "demigod" by his association with the Supreme God. Hiranyakasipu did not draw this connection. Rather, he merely worshipped Brahma for some material benediction. Therefore he is an atheist.