A Plea 2 CHRISTIANS.

[science_is_my_god]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

That is where faith comes in

Sigh, this is where I'm put off by Christianity and religions in general. You say to have faith, and yet you don't know why you should have that faith. So many theists would have brilliant minds if they just learned to stop believing in something just for the sake of believing in it.

[Papillon.]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

You don't need evil spirits in you(being possessed) to do evil deeds. Humans are quite capable on our own

OH BOY, THEY TOLD ME THIS WASN'T GONNA BE EASY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS I CAN, NOW, THIS PAUL WAS ENDOWED WITH THE "HOLY SPIRIT" HE COULD NOT DO "WRONG" WHEN YOUR ENDOWED WITH THIS SPIRIT, HE COULD ONLY DO "HOLY," SO, WHY DID HE HAVE EVIL OR AN EVIL SPIRIT ABOUT HIM THAT MADE HIM DO EVIL AND COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY?

[Mister Emu]

You say to have faith, and yet you don't know why you should have that faith.

I didn't tell you to have faith, I said that is where faith comes in... how can anyone know whether the supernatural being they have had contact with is really what it appears/claims to be? You can't, but my experiences with God have led me to believe that is exactly who He is, so I have faith that He is who He says He is.

[science_is_my_god]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I didn't tell you to have faith, I said that is where faith comes in... how can anyone know whether the supernatural being they have had contact with is really what it appears/claims to be? You can't, but my experiences with God have led me to believe that is exactly who He is, so I have faith that He is who He says He is.

So, according to your hypothesis, the reason I don't have faith in god is because I haven't experienced him? That creates a paradox. If I have to have faith to reach god, and yet have to experience god to have faith, isn't it not possible for me to believe in his existence? The only conclusion this brings me to is that I was created for disbelief, or that there is no god.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Papillon.

OH BOY, THEY TOLD ME THIS WASN'T GONNA BE EASY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS I CAN, NOW, THIS PAUL WAS ENDOWED WITH THE "HOLY SPIRIT" HE COULD NOT DO "WRONG" WHEN YOUR ENDOWED WITH THIS SPIRIT, HE COULD ONLY DO "HOLY," SO, WHY DID HE HAVE EVIL OR AN EVIL SPIRIT ABOUT HIM THAT MADE HIM DO EVIL AND COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY?

Perhaps you can present the verse(s) that support your claim that being endowed with the Holy Spirit makes you completely sinless?

[Mister Emu]

LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS I CAN

THIS PAUL WAS ENDOWED WITH THE "HOLY SPIRIT" HE COULD NOT DO "WRONG"

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SO, WHY DID HE HAVE EVIL OR AN EVIL SPIRIT ABOUT HIM THAT MADE HIM DO EVIL

There need be no evil spirit or evil about for someone to sin. It just so happens that we have that down pat on our own.

[Dunemeister]

Originally Posted by science_is_my_god

Why do we even make references to the bible in the first place folks? How could a book written by finate men have an accurate account of an infinate being? I have always argued that even if a god exists, how could we even begin to grasp a being of that vastness? We couldn't. Even if a god exists, I think he's looking down and laughing pretty darn hard.

We may not be able to know him fully, but we can know him truly.

[Mister Emu]

So, according to your hypothesis, the reason I don't have faith in god is because I haven't experienced him?

No, I do not know why you don't have faith in God, and I did not intent to speak on that... I only know why I do. Even then, maybe I would have faith if I didn't have any experiences(I did before I had experiences) or maybe I'd be an atheist. I can't really say, as that is not how my life has progressed...

[DallasApple]

Originally Posted by science_is_my_god

I would argue that good and evil do not exist in the first place. They are both emotional and psychological responses to others' behaviour, but don't physically exist in the real world at all.

I disagree...Good and evil exist..

Love

Dallas