Heavenly Mother in Bible

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continuation of hidden / veils / tree of life / rods / etc...

Arc of the covenant:
Ex 25: 22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

The first time we see two cherubim’s hiding something is the tree of life.
Gen 3: 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Another connection between a “rod” and the tree of life, the contents of the arc:
Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Aaron’s rod – from Num CHAPTER 17 - As a test, a rod for each tribe is placed in the tabernacle of witness—Aaron's rod buds and blossoms and brings forth almonds—It is kept as a token against rebels.

Also, The waters of Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant, Josh. 3:13–17; 4:1–7 just as Moses used his rod to part the Red Sea. Shepherds rods - rods are used over and over again to represent something.



What are we taught about seeking after what is within the vail? About seeking after things that are hidden?
Alma 19:6 dark v. of unbelief was being cast away
Ether 3:19 could not be kept from beholding within the v.
Ether 4:15 when ye shall rend that v. of unbelief
Ether 12:19 many ... who could not be kept from within the v.
D&C 38:8 v. of darkness shall soon be rent
D&C 67:10 v. shall be rent and you shall see me
D&C 101:23 v. of the covering of my temple ... shall be taken off
D&C 110:1 v. was taken from our minds
Heb 6:19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

Matt 10: 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.


1 Cor 2: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

recall that “wisdom” is connotated with Asherah
Prov 3: 13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.

Anyways, just more ramblings J

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Originally Posted by imbobbbb

well im not lds but have always thought it only logical that there was a 'mother in heaven'.learning that the lds believe this too is one of the reasons ive made it a point lately to learn more about what the lds believe and im finding i have a lot of beliefs in common with them thanks to the internet

I hope you continue to investigate
I should make clear - the only official doctrine about Heavenly Mother is that yes, She exists. Nothing more is really said about her. This thread is just full of a bunch of speculations from someone who is searching for the hidden things of God... Hopefully I do not offend anyone.

Katzpur is prob the best person for doctrinal questions if you have them. I am a convert to the LDS faith, so if you have any questions about what it is like to make the transition - feel free to ask! we love questions!

[Darkwater]

eh,dunno how this fits in buddy with your idea of *worship*?best to meet everything on the level imho.Sophia,shielanagig,Eve,Thiamoor of void,all of them.meet the guys on the level too,whomsoever you can find,especially angel & archangel pantheons....my favourite being metatatron or Sandolphin.

Woman Thou Art God: Goddess Symbolism Within Freemasonry by William Bond

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by †Lilith†

Oh, heck no. I'm not made of glass! Sure, the people were extremely unkind (and I still get asked either "So! What commandments did you have trouble keeping?" or "Humph! You obviously just can't take 12 million cruel jokes."), but in the end that was only part of it. I left because I read extensively, prayed a good bit, annoyed the poo out of people with endless questions that they didn't want to be asked in the first place, and finally took a step back and thought, "You know...this isn't really working for me."
Oddly enough, if I had tried to read the Lord of The Rings trilogy back then, my mother and grandmother would have thrown a fit (and maybe an intervention) because it had magic in it. Funny, they were OK with Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella, but oh well, some people are just the way they are.

My mother, who is an ardent anti-Goddess (not to the idea, just to the idea that She ought to be worshiped), recently commented to me that most of the people in her ward are afraid of the idea of a Heavenly Mother because, and I quote, "It would be too deep for them."
I suppose that for some people, the idea could be scary, especially if there's a social and religious taboo on it. Again, your living in a liberal ward is certainly a blessing!

Interesting analogy. I agree, it's pretty easy to get distracted by people's outward appearances of 'perfect'.

I definitely second that! All through YW, we heard about how we should strive to be an '8 cow wife', prepare for marriage (bear in mind, most of the girls couldn't, and still can't, even cook for themselves)--and then once I was old enough to go to RS, it was nearly the same thing, except there was much more emphasis--presumably because most of the women in there were married-- on being obedient to both your husband and the gospel. Little else, unless there was Enrichment Night or something similar.
But, Ifeel that if they had discussed Her--or rather, allowed her to be discussed, RS meetings would have been much more enthusiastically attended. We had Emma as a role model--that's all well and good, but everyone else had a divine role model. Strong human women are marvelous role models for women, but I felt that women also need strong female role models of the divine order. It's only fair.
I really need to work on cutting down my rambling--all that just to say I agree with you!

I would be interested in hearing how the "Tree of Life" discussion goes.

You know, I've been full-time LDS for over half a century, held nearly every position available, and I don't see what you're describing. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that possibly the problem is in perception.

I'd love to sit down and talk with you face to face about our Heavenly Mother. There's nothing wrong with doing that. But the reality is--what would we say? She exists, we look forward to meeting her. She used to be like us. Beyond that is what we hope she is. We don't have the facts about her. We just don't have any doctrine. Is that anyone's fault? No. Our prophets have given us all that the Lord feels we need.

Your perception of YW and RS lessons also baffles me. The "8-cow wife" story means we should be the best we can be. To strive for the best in a husband someday and be all that he deserves, as he should strive to be all that his wife deserves. It's about recognizing the potential and value in others, and treating them accordingly.

Obedient to our husbands? No. Obedient to God. Honoring my husband in righteousness as he honors me. Progressing together. Men's and women's roles are different in the Church, but all are invaluable. And there's infinite more to be learned beyond marriage. My goodness--- lessons on faith, repentance, the atonement, humility, charity, service, etc, etc. Yes we can apply these lessons in marriage, but in all other areas of life as well.

May I say, and I'm am trying to say this gently . . . sometimes when all we look for--are reasons to be dissatisfied, that's all we will find. Most of us have barely scratched the surface of the Gospel and atonement of Christ. The love and the sacrifice he did for us, and the infinate help and strength it can give us, can take years of study and faith to understand. I could go on and on . . .

Maybe, just maybe, once we fully understand all of that, then our Father will say, now you're ready to learn about your Mother.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by imbobbbb

well im not lds but have always thought it only logical that there was a 'mother in heaven'.learning that the lds believe this too is one of the reasons ive made it a point lately to learn more about what the lds believe and im finding i have a lot of beliefs in common with them thanks to the internet

Feel free to ask us anything you'd like.

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[imbobbbb]

Originally Posted by idea

I hope you continue to investigate
I should make clear - the only official doctrine about Heavenly Mother is that yes, She exists. Nothing more is really said about her. This thread is just full of a bunch of speculations from someone who is searching for the hidden things of God... Hopefully I do not offend anyone.

Katzpur is prob the best person for doctrinal questions if you have them. I am a convert to the LDS faith, so if you have any questions about what it is like to make the transition - feel free to ask! we love questions!

well the mere fact that the lds believe a 'heavenly mother 'exists puts them in my mind on a more logical level then a lot of groups.while i can accept that there could be good reasons for not revealing a lot about 'her' i have never been able to reconcile in my mind that if humans are created in Gods image then logic would dictate there was a male and female pattern,otherwise God could have made us genderless to begin with.there is nothing wrong with speculating about things as long as we recognize we 'are speculating'and could be wrong on some things and the facts on many things will remain unknown to us in this life.

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Originally Posted by imbobbbb

well the mere fact that the lds believe a 'heavenly mother 'exists puts them in my mind on a more logical level then a lot of groups.while i can accept that there could be good reasons for not revealing a lot about 'her' i have never been able to reconcile in my mind that if humans are created in Gods image then logic would dictate there was a male and female pattern,otherwise God could have made us genderless to begin with.there is nothing wrong with speculating about things as long as we recognize we 'are speculating'and could be wrong on some things and the facts on many things will remain unknown to us in this life.

sorry for late reply (Monday night is "Family Home Evening") I PM'd you with something.
you are right, there are good reasons for not revealing a lot about her, and I need to be more careful about speculation. I can accept having to wait for some things.
Thanks for joining the thread!
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[Starfish]

Originally Posted by imbobbbb

well the mere fact that the lds believe a 'heavenly mother 'exists puts them in my mind on a more logical level then a lot of groups.while i can accept that there could be good reasons for not revealing a lot about 'her' i have never been able to reconcile in my mind that if humans are created in Gods image then logic would dictate there was a male and female pattern,otherwise God could have made us genderless to begin with.there is nothing wrong with speculating about things as long as we recognize we 'are speculating'and could be wrong on some things and the facts on many things will remain unknown to us in this life.

One of the many things I love about the Gospel. L O G I C.