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This is just a christian lie, its an accepted myth. Jesus didNOT speak more about hell than he did heaven. He mentioned Hell 16 times, he mentioned heaven over 120 times, a simple hoonest study of the bible will bear this out. The fact that you have accepted this obvious lie, shows a person conditioned to accept obvious lies and myths.

Now what is interesting, is that you have the ability to obviously study this for yourself, but you willnot.

Because you do not search for truth.

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Here is a fact: If Jesus talked ONE time about eternal punishment, that's all we need. Because unlike the rest of us, when Jesus, who is God the Son, speaks, you can take it to the bank. The bible is full of references to eternal punishment. So I'm not the one being dishonest here. Do you want me to list all the verses here, and then you can list the ones that say everyone will make it to heaven? That would be enlightening!
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Look man, you have enough sense to know I have over 200 comments on post. I do not comment on other post, so obviously the 200 are on this post. Whoelse has had over 200 comments on this post? Where is the lie I told? I stated that I have more comments on this post than anyonelse, and your tripping over that simple truth.

This is why I do not like talking to christians, their not in reality.

I have no other words for you, your just too difficult to speak with.

Peace to you anyhow, may you journey well.
No, your words were that of the 800 posts on this thread, most of them were yours. If you do not want to be msunderstood, speak more clearly about what you mean.
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This is just a christian lie, its an accepted myth. Jesus didNOT speak more about hell than he did heaven. He mentioned Hell 16 times, he mentioned heaven over 120 times, a simple hoonest study of the bible will bear this out. The fact that you have accepted this obvious lie, shows a person conditioned to accept obvious lies and myths.

Now what is interesting, is that you have the ability to obviously study this for yourself, but you willnot.

Because you do not search for truth.

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Yes, but by your admission Jesus did talk about Hell, and if you belive that what He and God says, as you have shown by using the Bible as evidence, you logically must believe that Hell is real, or you are just choosing what to believe and what not to belive. Make up your mind if you are a believer or not. God says He will spit the lukewarm out of His mouth.
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Here is a fact: If Jesus talked ONE time about eternal punishment, that's all we need. Because unlike the rest of us, when Jesus, who is God the Son, speaks, you can take it to the bank. The bible is full of references to eternal punishment. So I'm not the one being dishonest here. Do you want me to list all the verses here, and then you can list the ones that say everyone will make it to heaven? That would be enlightening!

Look man, you stated that Jesus spoke more about hell than he did heaven, that is an outright lie. The bible is NOT full of references to eternal hell, in fact, nowhere in the old testement is ANYONE threathened with eternal hell.

Again Jesus spoke on hell 16 times, on heaven over 150 times. And EVERY time Jesus spoke on hell, he meant the grave, a pit to burn dead bodys in, or death itself.

You told an outright lie about this, you are not man enough to study and admit your lie, because you hold no intrest in the truth. Jesus didNOT speak on hell more than he did heaven, its not even close.

Certain christians just prefer lies over the truth. It gives them an excuse to save themselves while they condemn others.

Peace.
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Yes, but by your admission Jesus did talk about Hell, and if you belive that what He and God says, as you have shown by using the Bible as evidence, you logically must believe that Hell is real, or you are just choosing what to believe and what not to belive. Make up your mind if you are a believer or not. God says He will spit the lukewarm out of His mouth.

Hell is the grave. The bible also uses hell to reference a pit used to burn dead bodies in. But once King James got his hands on the bible, he changed the meaning of hell. When the bible was translated to Spanish and english, the distortion started then.

The ignorance of christians are mistaking the lake of fire to be hell. I believe in the lake of fire, but it is not hell.

Peace.
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Espically if the bait is filtered through the bible. The use of the bible for anything but salvation is contridiction and blindness. The bible is a book about how we all have a destiny with God, certain religious believers are making it a sadistic book on torture and the slaughter of unbelieving sinners. They think Jesus was beaten to death in order that those who reject God may be beaten for eternity.

Holding no real concept of Gods grace, they pervert the purpose of the Prince of Peace.

Peace.
Hi Mickiel,the same can be said of the Quran,it is the carrot and the stick,the carrot is Paradise and the stick is Hell
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Hell is the grave. The bible also uses hell to reference a pit used to burn dead bodies in. But once King James got his hands on the bible, he changed the meaning of hell. When the bible was translated to Spanish and english, the distortion started then.

The ignorance of christians are mistaking the lake of fire to be hell. I believe in the lake of fire, but it is not hell.

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Well let's just set the record straight: You don't believe the Bible is truth from God. Do I need to list the verses for you?
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Look man, you stated that Jesus spoke more about hell than he did heaven, that is an outright lie. The bible is NOT full of references to eternal hell, in fact, nowhere in the old testement is ANYONE threathened with eternal hell.

Again Jesus spoke on hell 16 times, on heaven over 150 times. And EVERY time Jesus spoke on hell, he meant the grave, a pit to burn dead bodys in, or death itself.

You told an outright lie about this, you are not man enough to study and admit your lie, because you hold no intrest in the truth. Jesus didNOT speak on hell more than he did heaven, its not even close.

Certain christians just prefer lies over the truth. It gives them an excuse to save themselves while they condemn others.

Peace.

All right, Bro. Here are references to hell and eternal punishment in the NT alone. Again, if there was only ONE of these verses present, that would be enough! I left a few out because I didn't want to do any more word searches. These should keep you busy for a while, though:
  1. Matthew 5:22
    But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
  2. Matthew 5:29
    If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
  3. Matthew 5:30
    And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
  4. Matthew 10:28
    And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
    5. Matthew 10:27-29
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
  5. Matthew 23:15
    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
  6. Matthew 23:33
    Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
  7. Mark 9:43
    If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
  8. Mark 9:45
    And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—
  9. Mark 9:47
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—
  10. Luke 12:5
    But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!
  11. 2 Peter 2:4
    [ Doom of False Teachers ] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
  12. Revelation 20:10
    The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
  13. Revelation 20:14
    Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
  14. Revelation 20:15
    And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
  15. Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Luke 16:22-24 (New King James Version)

22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
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"it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed."

Matthew 13:41-43 (New King James Version)


41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
  1. Matthew 8:12
    But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
  2. Matthew 13:50
    and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
  3. Matthew 22:13
    Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
  4. Matthew 24:51
    and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  5. Matthew 25:30
    And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
  6. Luke 13:28
    There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.
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All right, Bro. Here are references to hell and eternal punishment in the NT alone. Again, if there was only ONE of these verses present, that would be enough! I left a few out because I didn't want to do any more word searches. These should keep you busy for a while, though:

Every verse you listed is King James crap. There are no eternal hell verses in the Old testement, the ones in the New were added. Its not going to keep me busy, because I hold no belief in Hell. You believe in it because the thought of it turns you on, you want people to go there. You NEED for hell to be real or you have no religion.

You see all this hell in the bible, you see little salvation, and you spread this mess with a mind that can't wait for God to roast humans like marshmelklows, while you lick your chops.

Good greif.
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Every verse you listed is King James crap. There are no eternal hell verses in the Old testement, the ones in the New were added. Its not going to keep me busy, because I hold no belief in Hell. You believe in it because the thought of it turns you on, you want people to go there. You NEED for hell to be real or you have no religion.

You see all this hell in the bible, you see little salvation, and you spread this mess with a mind that can't wait for God to roast humans like marshmelklows, while you lick your chops.

Good greif.
There are no hell scriptures in the OT, because there was only hades and sheol. Hell started when jesus said.....'he came to start a fire and how he wished it was blazing already'

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