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Old 05-28-2008, 08:35 AM
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How do you explain Winter & Summer? Aside from spinning you believe it even tilts alittle to the left of the equator, and then alittle to the right,
and what force of physics would allow it to tilt back and forth as its spinning?

And it would have to tilt back and forth, take an orange tilt like science tells you, rotate it around a grapefruit, one pole will get all the light,
but for the light to shift to the other pole you have to tilt the orange the other way.

The picture below seems as though the tilt hasn't changed, but look at the blue earth to you're left, the top portion with the red line striking thru
is tilted towards the Sun, on the right hand side you will see it tilted away from the Sun. What law of physics allows this? This wobbling science!
The Earth doesn't wobble. Your picture is a good illustration of what's happening: in the figure, the Earth's axis is tilted a little to the right at every point in its orbit. Objects in motion tend to remain in motion, so unless some force is imposed on the Earth to change things, its axis will always tilt a little to the right. The result is that the northern hemisphere gets more of the sun's rays for one half of the year, and the southern hemisphere gets more of the sun's rays for the other half.


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Lunar eclipse are wrongly explained, look at the left hand picture of the lunar eclipse geometry, see were the moon is to you're right, now look
at the right hand picture and see were the full Moon is to you're left the yellow arrows is the Sun's light. According to both depicted explanations,
one of the lunar cylces and the other of eclipses, we should be having and eclipse once a month.
Not quite. Your figure is a bit exaggerated. The Earth, Sun and Moon are much further apart, so the shadow cast by the Earth is much narrower than the figure makes it appear. Also, the effect is in three dimensions; if the Moon passes over or under the Earth's shadow when it travels through that part of its orbit, you don't get an eclispe. This is what happens most of the time.

The orbits of the Earth around the Sun and the Moon around the Earth aren't perfectly aligned; there's a bit of an angle between the plane that the Earth orbits in and the plane that the Moon orbits in. The only places a lunar or solar eclipse can occur is where these two planes come together, and an eclipse only happens when the Earth, Moon and Sun are all aligned properly at that exact time. All these things don't come together very often.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:32 AM
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The Earth doesn't wobble. Your picture is a good illustration of what's happening: in the figure, the Earth's axis is tilted a little to the right at every point in its orbit. Objects in motion tend to remain in motion, so unless some force is imposed on the Earth to change things, its axis will always tilt a little to the right. The result is that the northern hemisphere gets more of the sun's rays for one half of the year, and the southern hemisphere gets more of the sun's rays for the other half.



Not quite. Your figure is a bit exaggerated. The Earth, Sun and Moon are much further apart, so the shadow cast by the Earth is much narrower than the figure makes it appear. Also, the effect is in three dimensions; if the Moon passes over or under the Earth's shadow when it travels through that part of its orbit, you don't get an eclispe. This is what happens most of the time.

The orbits of the Earth around the Sun and the Moon around the Earth aren't perfectly aligned; there's a bit of an angle between the plane that the Earth orbits in and the plane that the Moon orbits in. The only places a lunar or solar eclipse can occur is where these two planes come together, and an eclipse only happens when the Earth, Moon and Sun are all aligned properly at that exact time. All these things don't come together very often.
Thanks for adding this and helping to clear this up. I'm not sure where he got that the sun and moon were the same size. I've been checking around and that appears not to be the case. Maybe he confusing size (circumference) with distance from the earth. That inconsistency of his alone was enough for me to conclude he hasn't a clue as to what he is talking about.
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:31 AM
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What makes you right over the hundreds of thousands that disagree with you? To be honest they all have a better case than you, they have empirical evidence what do you have?
Albert Einstein once said, "there are only a handful of people who understand me," I know exactly how he felt.
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He's got nothing that's why he started a new thread on it.
Most of you're replies have been about nothing like the science you believe!
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:43 AM
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I would like to see some experiments done, and then published. That is what scientists do, right?

Frank? Can we have your bibliography?
This is an experiment, not of my science this is clearly true even to a 10 year old, but an experiment of all you who have replied in disagreement, all of you have
different gods, beliefs and worship, but yet, all of you agree on an erroneous science, which conclude the experiment that all you, you're gods and beliefs are the same, wrong!
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The Earth doesn't wobble.the Earth's axis is tilted a little to the right at every point in its orbit. Objects in motion tend to remain in motion, so unless some force is imposed on the Earth to change things, its axis will always tilt a little to the right.
If the object in motion remained in motion, using you're reasoning not mine, the poles would have melted, because in the picture you can see the top axis is tilted
towards the sun, if it remains tilting little by little in motion, everything would melt but it hasn't. You're science is wobbly because for some unexplained reason
the Earth's axis begins to tilt the complete opposite just to do it all over again, wobbly science!
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:03 AM
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If the object in motion remained in motion, using you're reasoning not mine, the poles would have melted, because in the picture you can see the top axis is tilted
towards the sun, if it remains tilting little by little in motion, everything would melt but it hasn't.
It's Newton's reasoning, actually, not mine. The tilt of the axis stays the same: it's always to the right. This gives us the seasons as the Earth orbits around the Sun.

Imagine you were watching the Solar System from a space ship sitting way out in space above the orbits of the planets over top of the Sun. No matter where the Earth was in its orbit, its axis would always be pointing in the same direction.

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You're science is wobbly because for some unexplained reason
the Earth's axis begins to tilt the complete opposite just to do it all over again, wobbly science!
No, your science is wobbly because your frame of reference is in motion. Everything works just like Newton says if you consider things relative to some fixed point.
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The tilt of the axis stays the same: it's always to the right. This gives us the seasons as the Earth orbits around the Sun.
If the axis remains the same tilted towards the sun, and one full rotation is completed in 24 hrs, you would have 4 seasons in a day according to you're science!

Stick a straw in an orange pretend its the Earth, tilt it towards you pretending you're the Sun, keep the angle the same and spin one full rotation, you will see the
poles get the same amount of light, there would never be 6 months of dark or light in the poles as in the true state of reality.
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I think someone's having some trollicious fun.
I tend to agree as the alternatives are pretty grim. If he is serious I am still struck by the uncomfortable question of why "god" would choose such unsuitable vessels to explain things that they, so clearly, do not understand. Doesn't say much for "god", does it?
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