God & Science (God, verse, Articles, Zen)

[zenzero]

We are part of god.
Part of what we study is science.
Then how is science not a part of god as we being its part only are studying?

[YmirGF]

False logic, my friend.

"We are part of god" is an unprovable assertion (even if I agree). In reality, "god" is an idea.
Within the narrow confines of the assertion, it is, however science is about understanding physical reality. God, being an idea, falls outside the jurisdiction of science as ideas cannot truly be scrutinized like a lab rat or a distant star.

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by zenzero

We are part of god.
Part of what we study is science.
Then how is science not a part of god as we being its part only are studying?

You are one of the very few smart individuals I came across in a long while!

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

False logic, my friend.

In reality, "god" is an idea.

Within the narrow confines of the assertion, it is, however science is about understanding physical reality. God, being an idea, falls outside the jurisdiction of science as ideas cannot truly be scrutinized like a lab rat or a distant star.

An unproveable assertion.

Idea's fall outside of the jurisdiction of science? Uh, where'd you get that one from because it's entirely incorrect. Every single thing science has ever revealed has come from someone who had an idea.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

An unproveable assertion.

Idea's fall outside of the jurisdiction of science? Uh, where'd you get that one from because it's entirely incorrect. Every single thing science has ever revealed has come from someone who had an idea.

What I am meaning is that an idea cannot be probed the way that a physical object can be. Science does deal with ideas of course, but the difference is that they do not put the idea itself under the microscope. In theory, science is about proving ideas through duplicatable testing.

If you can provide empirical examples of how science could determine the existence of "god", then I am all ears.

[Dunemeister]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

What I am meaning is that an idea cannot be probed the way that a physical object can be. Science does deal with ideas of course, but the difference is that they do not put the idea itself under the microscope. In theory, science is about proving ideas through duplicatable testing.

If you can provide empirical examples of how science could determine the existence of "god", then I am all ears.

Gravity is not a physical thing you can "probe", but it's hardly nonscientific. Subatomic particles such as quarks can't possibly be touched, yet science believes in them, too. So it seems science DOES put ideas themselves under the microscope. For what are quarks if not mathematical ideas?

[Jeremiah]

Originally Posted by Dunemeister

Gravity is not a physical thing you can "probe", but it's hardly nonscientific. Subatomic particles such as quarks can't possibly be touched, yet science believes in them, too. So it seems science DOES put ideas themselves under the microscope. For what are quarks if not mathematical ideas?

Gravity is empirically provable. As far a quarks you'll have to ask someone else.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Dunemeister

Gravity is not a physical thing you can "probe", but it's hardly nonscientific. Subatomic particles such as quarks can't possibly be touched, yet science believes in them, too. So it seems science DOES put ideas themselves under the microscope. For what are quarks if not mathematical ideas?

Untrue. Gravity is a force that can be examine, as are quarks 'n' charms. I am meaning that you cannot investigate an idea inside of someones head, as they are "having" the idea. There is no known way to do any meaningful investigation given current understanding and methodology. My comment stands.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

Untrue. Gravity is a force that can be examine,

Hmmm.... science is not my thing, but I was under the assumption that science has no clue how gravity works... we can't study "gravity".... only the EFFECTS of gravity.

Where's a science nerd when you need one?

[gnostic]

Actually they do know how gravity works.

Mass.

It is all related to mass.

The mass of the sun, our earth, and other planets have massive....uh, mm, mass....so it would pull other mass to that gravity.

In regarding to our planet is also related to the density of materials in our crust, middle-ish layer (which I've forgotten ) and core. We have a great deal of iron (and other mineral) in all 3 layers, but the iron are super-heated and circulating (magma) underneath the crust that act like magnet.

Gravity not only cause object to fall, but it also cause it to repel or push outward. Take for instance swinging an object tied to the string, round and round in the air. There are 3 forces acting on the object. The object is moving in direction of the swinging, hence in a circular path. There is a force exerting outward and there is another force exerted inward to the point of origin.

Our planet is like this when it is orbiting the sun. The outward and inward forces are keeping the planet in orbit.

Anyway it is the outward force that keeps us from being crushed on earth where we stand, which is the opposite of what the black hole is doing.

Think of the black hole. A black hole is nothing more than a dead sun, where the gravity to the sun to collapsed upon itself, due to the mass and density of the sun materials. Because the dead sun has become super-dense, it therefore has extremely high gravitational force.

if you don't understand all that, but that about as layman as I can put it...in layman's term.