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Old 05-23-2008, 10:53 AM
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[quote=9-10ths_Penguin;1164436] small fragment of one of the two rocks that has been heated by the collision to the point that it glows or burns. [quote]

True, to burn you need air. (oxygen)

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Nuclear fission does not happen when you bang rocks together. [quote]

That's right no rocks, its atoms that are banged together. (friction)

[quote=9-10ths_Penguin;1164436]the fuel is kept separate from the oxygen. They're only mixed in the combustion chamber itself. A variety of different fuels are used; some are oxygen compounds and some have no oxygen at all, but all of them develop friction as they flow through a tube or pipe (like any fluid). [quote]

You got it, that's when there is friction, only when there is oxygen!
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:10 AM
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That's right no rocks, its atoms that are banged together. (friction)
Let me re-phrase: you cannot "crush an oxygen molecule" by hand. When you strike two rocks together, you may break off pieces of the rocks, but the molecules in those pieces will remain intact.

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You got it, that's when there is friction, only when there is oxygen!
Please re-read what I said. If a fluid contains no oxygen at all, it will develop friction when it flows through a pipe. If it contains oxygen, it will also develop friction when it flows through a pipe. How much friction develops is dependent on a number of factors, but the oxygen content of the fluid is not one of them.

Going back to the satellite thrusters and rocket engines, hydrazine or liquid hydrogen (both used as rocket fuels) will produce friction in a pipe and neither one contains any oxygen at all.
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When you strike two rocks together, you may break off pieces of the rocks, but the molecules in those pieces will remain intact.
So what causes the spark?

Please tell me that its the powder of those pieces that ignite with oxygen, so I can continue to take you seriously.

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If a fluid contains no oxygen at all, it will develop friction when it flows through a pipe.
I see what you are saying here, its not friction per se as on earth, what you are referring to is "wearing" not generating heat, or if you permit, "cold friction."

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So what causes the spark?

Please tell me that its the powder of those pieces that ignite with oxygen, so I can continue to take you seriously.
Here's what happens:

- hitting the two rocks together causes friction. This heats up the rock.
- small bits of heated and non-heated rock break off from the impact.
- as the heated bits fly through the air, they burn in the oxygen of the atmosphere.
- this burning releases more energy, which we see as a glow.

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I see what you are saying here, its not friction per se as on earth, what you are referring to is "wearing" not generating heat, or if you permit, "cold friction."
No. Friction is friction everywhere. Any time you have two pieces of matter rubbing together anywhere in the universe, you have friction.

Friction is the conversion of kinetic energy into heat energy, period. Friction always implies generation of heat. There is no such thing as "cold friction".
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Here's what happens:

- hitting the two rocks together causes friction. This heats up the rock.
- small bits of heated and non-heated rock break off from the impact.
- as the heated bits fly through the air, they burn in the oxygen of the atmosphere.
- this burning releases more energy, which we see as a glow.


No. Friction is friction everywhere. Any time you have two pieces of matter rubbing together anywhere in the universe, you have friction.

Friction is the conversion of kinetic energy into heat energy, period. Friction always implies generation of heat. There is no such thing as "cold friction".
Friction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's see if Wiki can settle it. "When contacting surfaces move relative to each other, the friction between the two objects converts kinetic energy into thermal energy, or heat."
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- hitting the two rocks together causes friction. This heats up the rock.
- small bits of heated and non-heated rock break off from the impact.
- as the heated bits fly through the air, they burn in the oxygen of the atmosphere.
- this burning releases more energy, which we see as a glow.
I asked you to tell me and you told me, in different words but the same result and meaning, I'll take you seriously.

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Friction is friction everywhere. Any time you have two pieces of matter rubbing together anywhere in the universe, you have friction.
Friction only heats up with oxygen present.
Friction wears cold with no oxygen present.

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Friction is the conversion of kinetic energy into heat energy, period. Friction always implies generation of heat.
On earth, true, and I agree with you and the rest of the science community.

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There is no such thing as "cold friction".
There is in space, according to you're definition of "wearing." You heard that the
space shuttle can drift infinitely, because there's no resistance, no air, the resistance
that generates heat are the molecules in the air, the only molecules that can ignite
to produce heat are oxygen molecules.

The oxygen molecules resist the force of pressure applied against them, but if the
force is too strong, the oxygen molecules burst and ignite.
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The oxygen molecules resist the force of pressure applied against them, but if the
force is too strong, the oxygen molecules burst and ignite.
What on earth are you talking about? Please provide a link to some sort of research into this new development in chemistry. I'm sure we'd all really appreciate you providing some sort of evidence rather than just stating these things as facts.