The Hitler Example (America, Jewish)

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

The Manhattan Project was so far behind, it only caught up after the Battle of Berlin, when Germany surrendered in May 1945, hereafter did the Project produce their first
atomic bomb 'trinity' at Los Alamos in July 1945, you can see how close these dates are, almost as if the Americans copied the Germans blueprints, they did!!

Is this conjecture? I will ask again. Where do you derive such information from? I have never heard this argument granted I'm not history buff. However from what I can discern they found squat in germany and the germans weren't actively pursuing a bomb. Even if they were they didn't have the material.

What german blue prints are you talking about? What history book did you read this stuff in?

You seem to have this ideologically view and say America would not build such a weapon and only the creul nazis could. The manhattan project's goal was to build such a weapon. It was used because the powers that be at the time decided less life could be lost this way then an invasion.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Is this conjecture? I will ask again. Where do you derive such information from? I have never heard this argument granted I'm not history buff. However from what I can discern they found squat in germany and the germans weren't actively pursuing a bomb. Even if they were they didn't have the material.

What german blue prints are you talking about? What history book did you read this stuff in?

You seem to have this ideologically view and say America would not build such a weapon and only the creul nazis could. The manhattan project's goal was to build such a weapon. It was used because the powers that be at the time decided less life could be lost this way then an invasion.

Lets just be thankful Hitler did not get his filthy paws on nuclear weaponry, England would have become a smoking hole in the ground if he had of done.
Thats not to say he wasn't trying, and he wasnt far behind the US effort, one german nuclear scientist working for the nazis managed to send a coded message to US colleagues saying 'Hurry we are on track', in fact a number of german scientists forced to assist the nazi war machine did all they could to slow nuclear research.

[Seyorni]

Originally Posted by fantôme profane

But it wasn’t the whole nation was it? Yes many of the civilian population are guilty of allowing this to happen, and many actively participated in horrific acts of violence. But many also acted heroically, risking their lives to protect those who would be killed and opposing the atrocities.

Few acted heroically, cf: White Rose.

The mental defect thal allowed the rise of Nazism is alive and well. It is hardwired into our psyche. The findings of Drs Milgram and Zimbardo should be included in the ciriculum of every student from middle school to PhD.

People are authoritarian. We are very comfortable abdicating moral responsibility to a third party. We are comfortable performing horrendous acts as long as a third party assumes responsibility.

[rheff78]

Originally Posted by Tau

Lets just be thankful Hitler did not get his filthy paws on nuclear weaponry, England would have become a smoking hole in the ground if he had of done.
Thats not to say he wasn't trying, and he wasnt far behind the US effort, one german nuclear scientist working for the nazis managed to send a coded message to US colleagues saying 'Hurry we are on track', in fact a number of german scientists forced to assist the nazi war machine did all they could to slow nuclear research.

Correct me if I'm wrong but without the efforts of German scientists living in America, we would have not perfected the nuclear bomb either. Looks like we got the pick of litter!!

[Tau]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friend Tau,
What you say is right that mankind is responsible and not Hitler to be blamed entirely.
The reason is that What we see or what happens around us, is a gross manifestation of the total human minds. Individuals are just mediums through which such acts are carried out. If others were not responsible then surely they would not have been swayed by hitler and do his biding.
So far so good; now what?
What is the message that you wish to give as now it is accepted that mankind is responsible for what Hitler did. what next?
Love & rgds

I suppose all I am trying to say really is that, because we blame people for ruining their lives or doing something terrible we forget that we as a society all 'help' to create the society we live in, and that everything we do has its consequences, we as a whole have helped shape these people..if that makes any sense.

I have heard people in my country saying the young are rude or violent or dangerous or drunken they have no respect for the sanctity of social order, why then are they like this?

Is it because we allow various corporations and retailers and media companies to bombard them with the individualist message of consumerism and avarice?
Glorifying violence and war and presenting criminality/anti social behaviour on your MTV or whatever as a viable life choice...?
Is it because perhaps in the UK we don't spend much money on keeping youth centres and other activity centres open for especially poorer teenagers...might they just be bored out of their minds, so instead they hang around shops smoking dope and drinking waiting for something interesting to happen?

Thats just an example of what I think is symptomatic of the problem, a lack of shared responsibilty, a lack of community and a quickness to blame others, selfishness.


Love is the only cure..as in all things.
Thanks for giving me the oppurtunity to say that zenzero!

[Tau]

Originally Posted by rheff78

Correct me if I'm wrong but without the efforts of German scientists living in America, we would have not perfected the nuclear bomb either. Looks like we got the pick of litter!!

You are not wrong, you got Einstein for starters....

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Is this conjecture? I will ask again. Where do you derive such information from? The manhattan project's goal was to build such a weapon. It was used because the powers that be at the time decided less life could be lost this way then an invasion.

The Project took root only after the Germans were first to split the atom and americans feared total domination by the Germans, Einstein understood the potential of such energy, also [BBC] 2005 found evidence of such a device and of a reactor.

But it really isn't important who discovered it, what is important is our faith and how we can used it to rule the planet which was given to Man to rule, if you believe this. Are you satisfied on how the ruling elites are governing? If not, what can your faith do about this? And have you tried to do something about this?

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Few acted heroically, cf: White Rose.

The mental defect thal allowed the rise of Nazism is alive and well. It is hardwired into our psyche. The findings of Drs Milgram and Zimbardo should be included in the ciriculum of every student from middle school to PhD.

People are authoritarian. We are very comfortable abdicating moral responsibility to a third party. We are comfortable performing horrendous acts as long as a third party assumes responsibility.

I agree with you that an understanding of human psychology and specifically about the Millgram experiment should be part of the curriculum for every student. But the reason that they should be included is precisely because of this natural tendency to authoritarianism and because we also have the ability to choose otherwise. Most people believe that they are moral agents, but you are right, most people will abdicate their moral responsibility to an authority, a government, a church, a “God”. But I believe that it is important to make people aware of this precisely because they can learn to be moral agents. This is why it is so important to show not only the evil that humans can sink to when we follow unquestioningly, but also to show that it is possible to resist evil authority. If it is not possible then what do you think would be the point of such an education?