The Hitler Example (America, Jewish)

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

The US made and developed nuclear weapons. The only german involvement was Einstein who feared the germans would make the weapon first. They weren't even close.

Obviously you're mistaken, after the Berlin battle the Russians and Allied forces split the booties of war Nuclear reactor(enriched uranium), V2(rockets),
Messerschmitts(jets) and not until America captured Heisenburgh did they get their bomb.

But you would seem to be proud that America made this barberic weapon, I on the other hand am glad it was taken from the cruel and brutes of the nazi regime,
this tells me Americans are too nice of people to think of developing such a monstrousity.

To each his own.

[Popeyesays]

Sources other than Wikipedia:
The Death Camps
Central Page
Sobibor Death Camp
Holocaust Timeline: The Camps
Nazi Camps
Gallery of Holocaust Images
Holocaust Educational Resource (Nizkor)
Holocaust: Auschwitz, Birkenau, Belzec, Treblinka, Sobibor, Dachau, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Nordhausen

How did they do it before developing gassing as a technique?
The Jaeger Report: A Chronicle of Nazi Mass Murder

Regards,
Scott

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

Obviously you're mistaken, after the Berlin battle the Russians and Allied forces split the booties of war Nuclear reactor(enriched uranium), V2(rockets,
Messerschmitts(jets) and not until America captured Heisenburgh did they get their bomb.

But you would seem to be proud that America made this barberic weapon, I on the other hand am glad it was taken from the cruel and brutes of the nazi regime,
this tells me Americans are too nice of people to think of developing such a monstrousity.

To each his own.

Fissible uranium is not made in a reactor, it mined uranium in a centrifuge over and over and over.

PLUTONIUM is produced in a breeder reactor by exposing U 238 to neutrons and converting it to Plutonium 239. The only breeder reactors in existence were at Oak Ridge in Tennesseeat the time.

I, for one, am glad we developed the bomb, not The Third Reich. Why didn't the Reich invent it? Because they were too early commiotted to erroneous research.

Regards,
Scott

[Papersock]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

There are some studies done on following orders given to you by someone in authority and how far most people will take it. Amazing sheep we are these days...

Not just these days.

[Popeyesays]

German reactors were starved for heavy water:

Wikipedia, "Heavy Water"
"
[edit] Norway

In 1934, Norsk Hydro built the first commercial heavy water plant at Vemork, Tinn, with a capacity of 12 tonnes per year. From 1940 and throughout World War II, the plant was under German control and the allies decided to destroy the plant and its heavy water to inhibit German development of nuclear weapons. In late 1942, a raid by British paratroopers failed when the gliders they were in crashed. All the raiders were killed in the crash or shot by German army troops. But in the night of 27 February 1943 Operation Gunnerside succeeded. Norwegian commandos managed to demolish small but key bits of the electrolytic cells, dumping the accumulated heavy water down the factory drains. Arguably[clarify] (see below) this prevented Germany from building a nuclear reactor (German nuclear weapons would not have automatically followed the reactor for many reasons[clarify]). The Norsk Hydro operation is one of the great commando/sabotage operations of the war.
On 16 November 1943, the allied air forces dropped more than 400 bombs on the site. The allied air raid prompted the Nazi government to move all available heavy water to Germany for safekeeping. On 20 February 1944, a Norwegian partisan sank the ferry M/F Hydro carrying the heavy water across Lake Tinn, at the cost of 14 Norwegian civilians, and most of the heavy water was presumably lost. A few of the barrels were only half full, and therefore could float, and may have been salvaged and transported to Germany. (These events were dramatized in the 1965 movie, The Heroes of Telemark.)
However, recent investigation of production records at Norsk Hydro and analysis of an intact barrel that was salvaged in 2004 revealed that although the barrels in this shipment contained water of pH 14 — indicative of the alkaline electrolytic refinement process — they did not contain high concentrations of D2O. Despite the apparent size of shipment, the total quantity of pure heavy water was quite small, most barrels only containing between 1/2–1% pure heavy water. The Germans would have needed a total of about 5 tons of heavy water to get a nuclear reactor running. The manifest clearly indicated that there was only half a ton of heavy water being transported to Germany. The Hydro was carrying far too little heavy water for even one reactor, let alone the 10 or more tons needed to make enough plutonium for a nuclear weapon. The Hydro shipment on 20 February 1944 was probably destined for an experimental reactor project."

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

Obviously you're mistaken, after the Berlin battle the Russians and Allied forces split the booties of war Nuclear reactor(enriched uranium), V2(rockets,
Messerschmitts(jets) and not until America captured Heisenburgh did they get their bomb.

But you would seem to be proud that America made this barberic weapon, I on the other hand am glad it was taken from the cruel and brutes of the nazi regime,
this tells me Americans are too nice of people to think of developing such a monstrousity.

To each his own.

Seriously I will accept it if I am wrong but where do you derive this information from?

The Germans had only just created their first atomic pile when the war ended. This would have put them about where America was in early 1942, when our first atomic pile was created in Chicago.

Originally Posted by ManhattanProject

• The Race for the Atomic Bomb Begins
  1939-1941
  World War II started September 1, 1939, when Germany attacked Poland. By 1941, the Germans were leading the race for the atomic bomb. They had a heavy-water plant, high-grade uranium compounds, a nearly complete cyclotron, capable scientists and engineers, and the greatest chemical engineering industry in the world.
• The Research Effort Struggles
  1941-1945
  Factors including internal struggles, a major scientific error, and the devastation of total war compromised any successful research toward a German atom bomb. Unlike the American program, the Germans never had a clear mission under continuously unified leadership.
• The First Controlled Nuclear Reaction
  1942
  At the University of Chicago reactor, Enrico Fermi oversaw the first controlled energy release from the nucleus of the atom.
• U-235 Output Begins
  1945
  After intense effort, the Y-12 plant in Oak Ridge, Tenn., began to produce bomb-grade U-235, which was shipped to Los Alamos, N.M. U-235 was used in the Little Boy bomb and plutonium was used in the Fat Man bomb produced at Los Alamos.

Manhattan Project historical timeline

Also Wikipedia states the US built it, then the Soviets: Nuclear weapon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Germany was trying but never succeeded. The fear that they would develop such a weapon is what drove america to make one. (And perhaps a letter from einstein...)

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

Obviously you're mistaken, after the Berlin battle the Russians and Allied forces split the booties of war Nuclear reactor(enriched uranium), V2(rockets,
Messerschmitts(jets) and not until America captured Heisenburgh did they get their bomb.

But you would seem to be proud that America made this barberic weapon, I on the other hand am glad it was taken from the cruel and brutes of the nazi regime,
this tells me Americans are too nice of people to think of developing such a monstrousity.

To each his own.

Heisenberg did not have anything to do with the American effort to create the bomb. In the late spring of '45 he was captured and sequestered at a country home in Britain with other scientists.

The first U.S. bomb was tested in July of 1945. The fissible matewrial for Fat Man and Tall Boy were made between late '42 and early 1945. The German material was confiscated but it was not highly refined, being a mix of U 235 and U238 produced in centrifuges.

Some of that material may have wound up in the boms available in 1946 and 1947.

A lot of people don't realize the U.S. did not have a fourth bomb for six months after the nagasaki explosion.

Regards,
Scott