The Hitler Example (America, Jewish)

[3.14]

you can't find mankind guilty now since you let it continue for thousend of years, you should have found us guilty at the start.
but now its to late , only to what degree guilt people have is yet to be determined

[Frank Castle]

I think not, the people in those days found those people guilty, read you're history and know its true, I find those people guilty
because when the nazi's were found guilty their technology should have been found guilty as well, and should have been destroyed,
instead they were adopted and used just a few months later, and are still being used today.

To what degree?

You make a weapon and kill many people with it, I take your weapon and kill you with it, then I start killing many other people with it,
what degree, is it not murder in the 1st?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

Guilty as charged. But try telling that too our leaders who just after the raid of Berlin, they took Nazi Germany's Nuclear reactor, Rockets & Jets plans, and the scientists so that we can have them and use them.

Germany did not have any working reactors.

Rockets, jets, advanced weapons, too . . . . . but no working reactor4s.

We had the reactors working (U.S.).

Regards,
Scott

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by 3.14

you can't find mankind guilty now since you let it continue for thousend of years, you should have found us guilty at the start.
but now its to late , only to what degree guilt people have is yet to be determined

That's a problem with the notion of "collective". If we refer to it as "conspiratorial guilt", most of that problem goesw away.

Regards,
Scott

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Germany did not have any working reactors.

Rockets, jets, advanced weapons, too . . . . . but no working reactor4s.

We had the reactors working (U.S.).

Regards,
Scott

The US made and developed nuclear weapons. The only german involvement was Einstein who feared the germans would make the weapon first. They weren't even close.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Tau

I dont want to debate this, the mere thought of it makes me sick, I hope it was a complete myth, but i don't think it was, and wikipaedia is at the mercy of all kinds of people....

My gypsy mate told me (his family from germany) that the guards told the women they were washing with their children, they had been seperated upon arrival to the camp, true or not, the women started crying and kissing the soap...

My wish would be to go back in time be a British or American trooper emancipating the prisoners, I would have killed every German guard I come across, brutally....with extreme prejudice.

The guards recycled a thirty year old urban myth to abuse the captives. Same story in camps which had no gassing chambers.

The only mass murder camps were Belzek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, Majdanek, and Auschwitz/Birkenau. ALL of those cfampsw were ;liberated by the Soviets, not the U.S. or British.

Regards,
Scott

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

The guards recycled a thirty year old urban myth to abuse the captives. Same story in camps which had no gassing chambers.

The only mass murder camps were Belzek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, Majdanek, and Auschwitz/Birkenau. ALL of those cfampsw were ;liberated by the Soviets, not the U.S. or British.

Regards,
Scott

How Psychology Can Help Explain the Iraqi Prisoner Abuse

Psychology to explain prisoner abuse etc. Any time there is an unbalance of power abuse is born. Thus we need to enforce all men are equal.

Look how the rich treat the poor, the police and judges treat the people they pull over or who appear in their courtroom or goto any prison in america today.

If we need to create a situation where all men are not equal... such as a prison... It needs to be carefully designed and monitored.

[ALifetimeToWaitFor....]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Sure.

It has worked with some success in Bosnia (early 1990s) and possibly Iraq (in 1991-2).

The African genocides, on the other hand, have proven a bit more challenging.

Whats wrong with Africa. It only doesn't work there because all the factions are as Sadistic as the next. Africa is where all the crapiest things go down and theres no home grown power structure that actually wants to help the people. Only talking about the shitty parts of Africa, most of it.

This is off topic, but it just popped into my head. Nelson Mandela is still on the terrorist watch list!

[ALifetimeToWaitFor....]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

The guards recycled a thirty year old urban myth to abuse the captives. Same story in camps which had no gassing chambers.

The only mass murder camps were Belzek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Chelmno, Majdanek, and Auschwitz/Birkenau. ALL of those cfampsw were ;liberated by the Soviets, not the U.S. or British.

Regards,
Scott

I would have rather been shot, gassed, killed somehow than work at one of those Nazi hell camps on the western front. Living like that would have been worse.