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Old 05-19-2008, 05:55 AM
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We all have a demon in us somewhere. I'd rather roam into the wilderness and die of starvation, than be in a city with other people if food were to run out...
You are extremely wise then.

Food can be found in the wilderness, just gotta know what to do is all.
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Of course there were individuals that tried to help, the father of a family friend used to smuggle in antibiotics to Belsen for the inmates, if found out he would have been executed.

I am talking about the German people as a whole.

Those heroes are/were special cases.
Special cases which should not be dismissed simply because you wish to present an over generalized black and white point of view.

Yes Nazi Germany shows us how far humanity can sink, but it was not the first nor the last such example. It is a lesson we must learn, but in dismissing these “special cases” you are choosing to learn only half the lesson.
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Hitler revealed mankind to itself, showing how even how a whole nation of supposedly 'good' people can be turned to the darkness.

The Hitler lesson revealed what man is capable of..genocide and murder..on a grand scale.

Hitler did not gas millions on his own, he did not turn gypsy and jewish babies into bars of soap on his own....

Mankind is responsible as a whole for all suffering, just as Germany was for Hitler.

I find mankind guilty on all charges.
"Bars of soap" is largely legend, and what littlewas made was made at a prison camp which did not house Jews or Gypsies, but Poles.I believe your're right in principal about guilt for such crime being human guilt.

However, I would mention Attilla, Tamurlaine, Genghis Khan, Philip II & Innocent III.. . . . . . . .

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But it wasn’t the whole nation was it? Yes many of the civilian population are guilty of allowing this to happen, and many actively participated in horrific acts of violence. But many also acted heroically, risking their lives to protect those who would be killed and opposing the atrocities.
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It wasn't the whole nation for sure, but there were no antibiotics other than sulfa powder before the end of World War Two. Other drugs were smuggled in, though.

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Special cases which should not be dismissed simply because you wish to present an over generalized black and white point of view.

Yes Nazi Germany shows us how far humanity can sink, but it was not the first nor the last such example. It is a lesson we must learn, but in dismissing these “special cases” you are choosing to learn only half the lesson.
I hardly dismiss them, but the fact remains...Hitler was given power and allowed to do what he wanted.

That is not a generalisation!

That is what happened!
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"Bars of soap" is largely legend, and what littlewas made was made at a prison camp which did not house Jews or Gypsies, but Poles.I believe your're right in principal about guilt for such crime being human guilt.

However, I would mention Attilla, Tamurlaine, Genghis Khan, Philip II & Innocent III.. . . . . . . .

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I personally know through analyses documentation that some soap was made from human fat..no one can say exactly what happened, as those that knew are dead, mainly.
But the fact remains, gypsy or pole...

Those other guys are older lessons, unlearnt, hence Hitler.
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It wasn't the whole nation for sure, but there were no antibiotics other than sulfa powder before the end of World War Two. Other drugs were smuggled in, though.

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Well he told us he smuggled in antibiotics, must have been sulfa powder then, he was not specific about the actual chemical.
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I personally know through analyses that some soap was made from human fat..no one can say exactly what happened, as those that knew are dead, mainly.
But the fact remains, gypsy or pole...

Those other guys are older lessons, unlearnt, hence Hitler.
Stalin . . . .Mao dze Dung . . . . . Pol Pot . . . . . Hutus, Tutsis, . . . . ZIdi Amin . . . .
Milosovic . . . . .

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