Does GOD Exist? Why Not Ask The Devil. (genesis, church)

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

Your silly.... People make a choice to do bad there is no mythical Satan making people do things. It's an excuse because they refuse to think for themselves.

Your just afraid of the truth, afraid to find out for yourself, so you ridicule that which you don't know,
like children ridicule what they don't understand. Put it to the test, see for yourself, and know then, if I'm silly!

[Darkness]

To Frank Castle: Your prejudice against women aside, you are on the wrong side. Lucifer and Satan are not the enemy of mankind. Yahweh ("God") locked Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to keep them in a weakened and submissive state.

Genesis 3:4-5 (King James Version)
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 (King James Version)
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Yahweh is a sadistic control-freak. Lucifer and Satan fight for the freedom of man, but maybe you do not want freedom. Your pathetic misogyny is a clue that you are as authoritative a Fascist as God is.

Astarte sat in a small chapel speaking with the priest she had met
ages ago. Outside she watched the children that she had saved in the
fire, running about and playing games.
The priest spoke, “I knew you were different. Are you angels?”
“No. The opposite. We are devils.”
The priest shook his head in disbelief. “I don’t believe you. You
saved those children and their parents.”
“No, Lucifer did.”
The priest was stunned with horror.
“Lucifer? The fallen angel?”
“Yes. But he is far more than you could imagine.”
“But I always believed that the Devil was the epitome of evil. That
he could do no good.”
Astarte shook her head. “You’re mistaken. His sin is not that he
doesn’t know good, it is that he does know. His sin is not that he lives
in the darkness, but that he lives in the light. His sin is not that he is not,
it is that he is. Were it not for these reasons, then he would not be His
antithesis. He is the archenemy of God, dear Father. How could he be such a simple and grotesque caricature? That would be too unworthy a
foe.”

-- Spring, Chapter Five, The Revelation of Lucifer the Divine

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

Your just afraid of the truth, afraid to find out for yourself, so you ridicule that which you don't know,
like children ridicule what they don't understand. Put it to the test, see for yourself, and know then, if I'm silly!

Aww... another argument that sounds deep and wise but is as sounding brass. I could as easily say people use religion as a crutch to emotionally support themselves and that no one truly believes in God, but I would be an utter fool. Where does that leave you?

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Lucifer and Satan are not the enemy of mankind. Yahweh ("God") locked Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden to keep them in a weakened and submissive state.

The grass was greener on that side, and what business is it of Satan, what I do or not, why can't he mind his own business?
Mind you're own business Satan, mind you're own business and leave me alone, what is it that your selling that I must be forced to accept?

Originally Posted by Darkness

Genesis 3:4-5 (King James Version)
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

But they did die, that makes the serpent a liar, that make all that the serpent says, a lie!

Originally Posted by Darkness

Yahweh is a sadistic control-freak. Lucifer and Satan fight for the freedom of man,
but maybe you do not want freedom.

They fight to gain something they don't have and did not labour to make or create, a possession that belongs to a rightful owner, thieves.
GOD fights to keep what is HIS, what HE has laboured for, that which is HIS possesion, fending off the criminals, the thieves and liars.

Originally Posted by Darkness

“Lucifer? The fallen angel?”

If you are refering to the Biblical Lucifer, know that he was a king, and just a man who is now dead.

Originally Posted by Darkness

I could as easily say people use religion as a crutch to emotionally support themselves
and that no one truly believes in God, but I would be an utter fool. Where does that leave you?

I haven't sold you anything nor a beleif, except, that a law may be tested to prove its existence.
Prove it to yourself, if you seek Truth.

[EtuMalku]

[quote=Frank Castle;1157350]The grass was greener on that side, and what business is it of Satan, what I do or not, why can't he mind his own business?
Mind you're own business Satan, mind you're own business and leave me alone, what is it that your selling that I must be forced to accept?
But through Lucifer you now have that freedom to be left alone and follow your own path.



But they did die, that makes the serpent a liar, that make all that the serpent says, a lie!
Are you saying they eventually died as all humans do? Because they did not die from eating from the allegorical fruit, God indeed misled them purposely.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

Mind you're own business Satan, mind you're own business and leave me alone, what is it that your selling that I must be forced to accept?

I assent with EtuMalku. Satan does not force you accept anything. He simply gives you the choice to walk the path of freedom.

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

But they did die, that makes the serpent a liar, that make all that the serpent says, a lie!

They would have died anyway, had they not eaten from the Tree of Life.

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

GOD fights to keep what is HIS, what HE has laboured for, that which is HIS possesion, fending off the criminals, the thieves and liars.

God does not own us. We have the right to determine our own destinies, without being threatened with death if a guy loves another guy or a girl loves another girl.

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

If you are refering to the Biblical Lucifer, know that he was a king, and just a man who is now dead.

Don't you read? It is from: Spring, Chapter Five, The Revelation of Lucifer the Divine

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by Darkness

I assent with EtuMalku. Satan does not force you accept anything. He simply gives you the choice to walk the path of freedom.

How naive can you possibly be, if your choice of freedom means taking mine away, were is my freedom Satan?

Originally Posted by Darkness

They would have died anyway, had they not eaten from the Tree of Life.

Correct, thru disobedience, freedom to choose Satan, they no longer had access to the garden, they no longer had life.

Originally Posted by Darkness

God does not own us. We have the right to determine our own destinies, without being threatened with death if a guy loves another guy or a girl loves another girl.

You think laws can be broken, you jump off the roof of your dwelling, and learn first hand that there are consequences.

Originally Posted by Darkness

Don't you read? It is from: Spring, Chapter Five, The Revelation of Lucifer the Divine

I read only non-fiction, as of late.

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

But through Lucifer you now have that freedom to be left alone and follow your own path.

Yes the freedom to say no, no too temptation, no too a lie!

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

Are you saying they eventually died as all humans do? God indeed misled them purposely.

We were made from the Eternal One, HE could only have made us from HIS capacity of character and personality, "Infinetly."
This is who we are provided that we do not select the self-destruct switch. If it were not for temptation, you would
leave that switch alone.

[EtuMalku]

Who is the Eternal One?

[Frank Castle]

Originally Posted by EtuMalku

Who is the Eternal One?

The One who sustains the law of laws, the air you breath, the One who was never born, the One who cannot be cheated.

The Creator, you call Him GOD, I know HIM as, Father.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

How naive can you possibly be, if your choice of freedom means taking mine away, were is my freedom Satan?

How has Satan taken away your Freedom?

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

You think laws can be broken, you jump off the roof of your dwelling, and learn first hand that there are consequences.

True. However, what are the consequences of a boy being in love with another boy that deserve death?

Originally Posted by Frank Castle

I read only non-fiction, as of late.

Like the Tanakh and the Books of Enoch?