islam (Creator, homosexuality, mission, prophet, pray)

[yousaf]

is there any one who after reading the quraan and hadith had a problem with islam, if there are any please explain what you didn't like thanks

yousaf

[Zephyr]

Submission to a god, and trying to spread, insistence on being the only right religion, and various commands and laws which make NO sense, just to start it all off.

[yousaf]

thank you for your reply. what's wrong with submitting, surrendering to your creator, it is the only rihgt religion as im sure christinaity teaches the similar that if you don't beleive christ was killed then you don't go to heaven, god is god he can make aby law he wishes... please give me a example of a law you don't like

[Wandered Off]

Originally Posted by yousaf

what's wrong with submitting, surrendering to your creator

For one, there is no way to know for certain who your creator is or whether your creator would need your submission. The idea is questionable. I seriously doubt that the creator of all the universe - if such a being exists - would base anger, happiness, or any emotional well-being on my actions. I'm just not that important.

Now if you mean submitting to goodness that you allegorically personify as god, then that's a different story. No problem there.

it is the only rihgt religion

The idea of only one right religion is also suspect. People are different and have different needs. What works for some does not work for others. We all use different framework to relate to our environment. Islam is just one. It works for many people, and that's great. To say, however, that it is or should be the only framework belies a lack of understanding about human nature.

In addition, religion is almost entirely cultural. When religions carry a distinct cultural element, that interferes with the "universality" of any message. For example, many ancient gods obviously reflect the warrior culture from which they arose. In a more civilized society, their message does not translate well.

Another aspect I dislike is that Islam, like most religions, assumes that god would reward or punish us based on what we believe. I don't think we have much control over what we believe. At best, we control the inflow of information, but when it comes to belief, we don't really control it. For example, how about you stop believing in Allah for a few minutes and believe - really believe - that Isis is the chief of all deities. I think you'll find you aren't capable, and this renders all divine judgment of belief alone moot.

[yousaf]

thanks wandered off, for your response

[Zephyr]

Originally Posted by yousaf

thank you for your reply. what's wrong with submitting, surrendering to your creator, it is the only rihgt religion as im sure christinaity teaches the similar that if you don't beleive christ was killed then you don't go to heaven, god is god he can make aby law he wishes... please give me a example of a law you don't like

I don't submit to my parents. I respect them, but will not submit, and I see my gods the same way.

Also, I have the same problem with Christianity too, so there you go.

As for laws, there are plenty. No alcohol (odd, alcohol is a pretty holy thing for adherents of my religion), no homosexuality (although it's frowned upon by Asatruar, there are worse things for sure, and it's not a divine rule), no pork (pigs are delicious!), women not achieving equal status, forced charity (it's really not much charity if it's forced, now is it?), a required pilgrimage (I'd love to travel to het moederland, but it's no requirement), strict forced prayers (see the whole "no submission thing"), veneration of a prophet who I see as nothing more than a lunatic who got a lucky following, and well, I'm sure there's more out there, but this is all I got right now.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by yousaf

is there any one who after reading the quraan and hadith had a problem with islam, if there are any please explain what you didn't like thanks

I didn't like that it seemed like a big "step-back" from the Christian faith is was supposed to "supercede".... in Christ I am the adopted son of God.... the Koran didn't have anything close to that.... too many rules--->not enough love.

Peace be with you,
Scott

[Mister Emu]

is there any one who after reading the quraan and hadith had a problem with islam,

I have a problem with the Quran. Simply, it doesn't teach the truth that has been revealed to me.

[yousaf]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I have a problem with the Quran. Simply, it doesn't teach the truth that has been revealed to me.

could you be more specific