islam (Creator, homosexuality, mission, prophet, pray)

[ayani]

thank you, brother. i always did and still do love sura 109 for just that message. may God bless you, and give you peace in faith.

you are a sweetheart, Faisal. salam aleykum.

[TashaN]

Welcome ayani. You are really one of the most intelligent, patient, devout and loving people i have ever met. Walikum Alsalam.

[ayani]

***squish***, habibi. thanks to God, alhamdulillah for you, and your friendship, dear guy. you too are faithful, patient, devoted, and wonderfully bright. may God bless you, and be near to you.

thank you, brother. you are my brother, and will be.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by abu khalid

Wrong!

Wrong again, sorry to say that.

No need to apologise. *wave away the apologies*

This is a debate section, and views can clash. And we are all entire to our views.

No one have the whole view, including me. I am not perfect, and will never claim to be...even if I have strong view in some areas. Whether we agree or disagree, as long as their no violence involve in such clashes, no one is physically hurt.

Nawab wrote:

Originally Posted by nawab

God is not like your mother he has created you, feeds you, protects you, provided us all with luxery we have to submit to him as a slave he deserves to be worshipped, we dont use God for our own benifits.

I disagreed with slavery, in whatever shape or form. To me, surrendering and becoming slaves to either man or deity, is usually done out of fear, intimidation and force. So being a slave to a god is being a person without free will and to me, being "worthy" of worship can only be done out of compulsion and coercion. I'd view slave masters as tyrants and I also view slavery as opposite to freedom.

That's my view.

[K.Venugopal]

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

That is your own judgement. You can't just pick and choose.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

[56] I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.
[57] No Sustenance do I require of them, nor do I require that they should feed Me.
[58] For Allah is He Who gives (all) Sustenance, - Lord of Power - steadfast (forever). (Quran 51:56-58)

Are verses 57 and 58 a contradiction of verse 56? Allah says in verse 56 that He created man for a purpose and that purpose is but that man serves Him. Clearly Allah indicates here that He has a purpose (a need). And immediately in the next verses Allah says He does not require anything from man.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Allah decided already that there gonna be heaven and hell. Who am i to question that?

Unless we question (not necessarily in defiance, but towards deeper understanding), how do we know if an assertion is true, even if it is claimed to come from Allah? After all, what we have for Allah’s word is Mohammad’s word, because no one has been privy to the passing of the messages from Allah through Gabriel to Mohammad except Mohammad himself.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Can i create myself?

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Can i protect myself from diseases?
Can i live forever?

The answer to all the above is yes, if you realize that “I” am none other than existence itself. But if your understanding is restricted to “I” being merely the body, then the answer is in the negative.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

If i could do all these things, i wouldn't have believe in God, because i would have been a god myself.

We are God but not a God separate from existence

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Allah need no one, but we all need Him.

We too would have no needs if we wake up to the truth of our reality. We do not need Allah but teachings that aid us to awaken to our truth. We are not slaves but divine beings in the ocean of divinity.

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

See it as if you were a parent, you would have loved if your children have loved you, and listened to you, not because you need them, but because you know that they will benefit alot from that, not that you actually NEED to be loved by them. You LIKE to be loved by them, but you DON'T need it. This is about a parent who naturally have needs, how about the God of the universe, who created everything?

We love our children because they are ours. The more universal our love, the more we would love not for any reason but because it is in our nature to love. Allah loves only if His creation obeys Him. When Allah loves because He is love, then His beloved would not be His slave, but His own divine nature.

[Shedly]

I do personally think the quraan & the sayings of muhammed do not reveal great truths. Moslems today have become the laughing-stock of the entire world due to their so-called heavenly & worldly texts preaching violence or jihad, the sucking of the elderly, and the use of camels' urine in the field of therapy!!!! That's really nonsense....That's disgusting.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by Abu Khalid

Maybe because you made up your mind before even reading it?

Maybe, but does your allah need me to think it is his word before it can speak to me? Is it only powerful to those who first believe?

[nawab]

There are two types of slavery, one is forced and another is by choice, Allah did not forced me into slavery but i desire to become his slave so its different

Originally Posted by gnostic

No need to apologise. *wave away the apologies*

This is a debate section, and views can clash. And we are all entire to our views.

No one have the whole view, including me. I am not perfect, and will never claim to be...even if I have strong view in some areas. Whether we agree or disagree, as long as their no violence involve in such clashes, no one is physically hurt.

Nawab wrote:


I disagreed with slavery, in whatever shape or form. To me, surrendering and becoming slaves to either man or deity, is usually done out of fear, intimidation and force. So being a slave to a god is being a person without free will and to me, being "worthy" of worship can only be done out of compulsion and coercion. I'd view slave masters as tyrants and I also view slavery as opposite to freedom.

That's my view.

[nawab]

Hey have you become divine yet, when are you becoming divine I am still waiting for you. Remember i said once you become divine i will follow you. Hurry up

Originally Posted by K.Venugopal

Are verses 57 and 58 a contradiction of verse 56? Allah says in verse 56 that He created man for a purpose and that purpose is but that man serves Him. Clearly Allah indicates here that He has a purpose (a need). And immediately in the next verses Allah says He does not require anything from man.


Unless we question (not necessarily in defiance, but towards deeper understanding), how do we know if an assertion is true, even if it is claimed to come from Allah? After all, what we have for Allah’s word is Mohammad’s word, because no one has been privy to the passing of the messages from Allah through Gabriel to Mohammad except Mohammad himself.


The answer to all the above is yes, if you realize that “I” am none other than existence itself. But if your understanding is restricted to “I” being merely the body, then the answer is in the negative.

We are God but not a God separate from existence

We too would have no needs if we wake up to the truth of our reality. We do not need Allah but teachings that aid us to awaken to our truth. We are not slaves but divine beings in the ocean of divinity.

We love our children because they are ours. The more universal our love, the more we would love not for any reason but because it is in our nature to love. Allah loves only if His creation obeys Him. When Allah loves because He is love, then His beloved would not be His slave, but His own divine nature.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by nawab

There are two types of slavery, one is forced and another is by choice, Allah did not forced me into slavery but i desire to become his slave so its different.

SLAVERY is still the opposite of FREEDOM, even if you choose slavery freely, because you are essentially surrendering your freedom.

And master of slaves is still tyrant, regardless if the master is mortal or immortal.