islam (Creator, homosexuality, mission, prophet, pray)

[nawab]

When Muhammad pbuh destroyed the idols there was no idol worshippers they were all Muslims, so they didnt mind the idols being destroyed. Maybe they should have sold them to other countries which they did not.

I was saying that For example if if anyone wants to be a slave of God almighty why should anyone says that it is a wrong concept because slavery is bad, it is a different humaly concept of slavery. Plus idols was not promoted in vedas it was only later that the Hindu preist started indulging in Idol worship. The Hinduism today was not the Hindusim back in 1,000 years. When did Ram, Shiva, Krishna or any of the Hindu Deities promoted the use of an Idol, give me a verse and the reference, please.

Unto me and you is yours is only after presenting i have presented and i am fit to say to you as well

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by nawab

I was saying that For example if if anyone wants to be a slave of God almighty why should anyone says that it is a wrong concept because slavery is bad, it is a different humaly concept of slavery. Plus idols was not promoted in vedas it was only later that the Hindu preist started indulging in Idol worship. The Hinduism today was not the Hindusim back in 1,000 years. When did Ram, Shiva, Krishna or any of the Hindu Deities promoted the use of an Idol, give me a verse and the reference, please.

Regardless if the Hindus were idol-worshippers or not in the ancient past or recent past, the Muslims still destroyed the idols and enforce your own religion. If that's not destructive behaviour than what is it? You still destroyed and crush other religions just because they were different, therefore your religion is no better than Judaism and Christianity in this regards. It showed your people are no better.

Why can't your religion just leave alone other people? Muslims have no respect for sites sacred to other religions. Look how many Hindu temples were destroyed in India, during recent bombings. Why do you think some people very little of Muslims who act like violent vandals, and rightly so?

Muslims don't even have respect for their own mosques, when they bombed those in Iraq. They can't even keep festivals free from bloodshed. And the strangest thing is that the victims blamed the Americans, instead of the true perpetrators, fellow-Muslims.

Would Muslims mind if non-Muslims obliterated 3 famous holiest mosques? When you think about it these mosques would be considered idols, since Muslims revered such sites that they would make annual pilgrim.

[nawab]

I dont think it is done by Muslims, Just because of BBC and CNN i cant say what really happened. If we are no better then the rest and are also savages beleive me we have that power whereever we see a non-muslim we can force him to convert or kill him, how many cases do you know it happened to you, dont tell me the nonsense about BBC and CNN, who are just selling news for profit. tell me which Muslim have came up to you to offer the two options. Do you think fundlemental people like us would destroy our own mosque. thier is a motive to destroy other relligious sites do you think that we would destroy our own sites. why doesnt bomb blasts take place in Middle east countries why only in Afghan and Iraq becauuse the US forces are there, they have a history of playing psycoholgical warfare. Because of my religion i am told to be tolerant if not i would trace you down and proof to you the Media version of Islam

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by nawab

I dont think it is done by Muslims, Just because of BBC and CNN i cant say what really happened. If we are no better then the rest and are also savages beleive me we have that power whereever we see a non-muslim we can force him to convert or kill him, how many cases do you know it happened to you, dont tell me the nonsense about BBC and CNN, who are just selling news for profit. tell me which Muslim have came up to you to offer the two options.

Sorry, but I don't get BBC or CNN. So your point?

And what of destruction of Hindu temples in India? Do you think India use BBC and CNN? Do you think it was Hindus destroying their own temples, and not Muslim militants in the last 10-20 years? Can you prove it was not Muslim militants involved?

Was it Muslims or Americans who destroyed the Buddha statue in Afghanistan?

Please, get real.

Originally Posted by nawab

Do you think fundlemental people like us would destroy our own mosque. thier is a motive to destroy other relligious sites do you think that we would destroy our own sites. why doesnt bomb blasts take place in Middle east countries why only in Afghan and Iraq becauuse the US forces are there, they have a history of playing psycoholgical warfare.

You seriously need reality check. The Muslim Iraqis, Sunnis and Shiites, have been killing each other, even more so than they have been killing Americans. Was it not the Sunnis who massacred the Shiites when Saddam was in power?

Please, don't tell me, you don't think the two sides struggle for powers in Iraq? When the 1st election was held, Sunnis boycotted, and then wondered why they lost the election, and then blamed the Shiites and Americans for the loss. It is totally senseless for the Sunnis to blame others, when they don't put their own candidates in the elections.

Don't get me wrong, I have been totally against the war in Iraq, and I am very much anti-Bush, but the stupidity of the Sunnis is very much their own faults, so they should stop pointing fingers, and start thinking about Iraq as a whole, instead of the grab for power.

[nawab]

Sunnis and shias is a family problem, i am here representing Islam and my identity should only be focus as a Muslim that is our own family problems two brothers fighting over a toy, understand. Dont tell me there were no mosques in India which were destroyed, Mosques were converted in spain, this happens with all religions, it happen in China when the comunist massacred Muslims in Xinjiang province, But i dont like to talk about how hard it is for us a muslim i dont like to show someone else that i am very pityful and have sympathy on me, understand. I like to be straight forward.

Thats why i admire my Christian Proffeser alot, because of one thing he said straight forward. That you cant blame western countries fighting against Islam. These are just a modern form of Crusade and I being Naive and stupid asked him Do you think it is right. he replied Yes as a Christian he would. I further asked why. he told me. You once conqured Christian lands in Africa and middle east never to be retaken, you even came to spain to rule thier for 800 years, you came and knocked on the gates of Vienna, and whats worst is even now when you are down living in the Gutters and the sewers you still confidently say Dont Drink alcohol, dont eat Pork, Dont go out with girls, no sex, dont say trinity, Jesus is not the son of God, How do you expect us to leave you alone, First i had taken it offensivly and i said he must be racist but later when I thought about its true.

[gnostic]

Well, I am not a Christian. I'm agnostic.

And I am not American, nor Europe, so stop throwing this white man stuff at me. I am racially Chinese, possibly the same as you, but culturally Australian.

So do you think I favor Christians over Muslims? Then you don't know me. I think both Christians/Muslims are both savages when they seek power, either for themselves or for their respective religion. I simply don't like Abrahamic religions, interesting as they may all be.

Abrahamic religions are often misogynists and religious intolerant.

They may love and lust after women, but they will always blame them for crimes and sins they have committed. Abrahamic religions women are used and abused, and considered inferior. It showed in their laws, customs and traditions.

[nawab]

In Islam, there is no extra blame for women, if she is guilty then i beleive she should be punished same goes for guys, We dont blame women, our women blame us

[nawab]

plus i never though you would favor anyone, i just gave you a comparison like how you have compared Hindus

[gnostic]

This is all crap.

When there were Muslim empires, they took non-Muslim women as captors by their thousands, to serve as wives, concubines or slaves in kingdoms that were Islamic before. Did the women have choices in the matter? No.

You said it yourself that Muslim men can take as many as four wives.

Originally Posted by nawab

You didnt understood, Allah made these things a must for us we have to do, he is making us to do goodthings, like previously the whitemen used to force the blackmen to do something bad, I dont think what wrong. there is a surplus of women what solutions do we have from your civilised countries, Allah told us marry four, thats a solution but in every Christian country you cannot marry more than one but adultry is not a crime. they are safeguarding thier own interest.

It is the most stupidest thing I have ever heard. Why would Allah command men take 4 women as wives.

You, like other Muslims, considered women as objects, items, merchandises. For example, you use the word like "surplus" as if they were items, instead of humans.

"Safeguard from adultery"? What a laugh. And I would laugh, if you weren't serious. Muslims complained that the Western people objectified women, but I have to say so do Muslims.

Harems were filled with Hindu women, Georgian women, etc, chosen for their beauties, whether they wanted to be chosen or not. So give me no craps about Muslims treating women better than everyone else.

As to Muslim women, you societies have indoctrinated them into thinking there are no life outside Islam and the sickening customs of polygamy as being the norm.

Even today, the laws for women are made inferior. Why? Because the Islamic laws are archaic as are all other Abrahamic laws. Women are far from being treated as equal in Islamic societies, and few are allowed to exceed the men.

Even your God treated women as sub-humans, and such command treated them nothing more than sex-slaves for depraved Muslims. Muhammad himself have more wives than required, and add another one, who is not even ten. Then you look at the nonsense about each man have 70 virgins in Paradise. If this not Muhammad's sick sexual fantasy then what is it?

So don't give me nonsense about only Western men treat women as sex objects.