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Old 05-13-2008, 02:31 PM
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kdrier: I think the problem is that the word "normal" is very ambiguous. The average height for men is 5'10", so you could say in a sense that it's abnormal for a man to be 6'3". But there's nothing wrong with being tall. The great majority of people in the world have black hair. Red hair is in that sense grossly abnormal. But that word has a pejorative connotation that makes it not the best choice to use, a connotation of there being something wrong with the thing. It's highly unusual to be red-headed or gay, but there's nothing wrong, or in that sense "abnormal" with either. As Green Gaia says, it's quite normal for some people to be either.
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It's not something I have a choice to believe, it's reality. They do experience, and are forced to accept it, although they might argue their side for a piece of mind.
But if we don't fight it, it will never get better. Every triumph so far has come through determination, hard work and education. That's what will and must continue to happen for any injustice to be righted. If I were to just accept that my government is going to treat me like a second-class citizen and don't try to change things, then I have no one to blame but myself when that's exactly how they treat me.
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Oh dear mball

Why oh why do i need to debate with you when you dont want to come out of the closet yourself? And what in the world do I have to gain if you do? You think i am debating my point so that i can gain support. LOL...the only support i have is the evidence presented in this thread. Its enough for me. And the evidence is in your own posts. You feel good about yourself when you gain support...it makes you feel accepted. Exactly my point isnt it. Do I feel less worthy because you are not agreeing with me? I would hardly link my self worth to human perspective. So then why cant homosexuals lighten up?

Im not a christian in hiding. You avoid flack because you hide. I have a little more guts than that! And since you claim to not be a homosexual, why isnt autodidact harping on you for talking about something you know nothing about.

Double standards. Always trying to avoid the obvious misdemeanors.

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Old 05-13-2008, 02:35 PM
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Um...America was intended to be a melting pot from the beginning. The whole point of it is for people to mix together. If you don't live in America, that's different, but that is the point of this country.


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Most of society is not gay, therefore it is not normal to be gay. Is there anyone not letting you be what you want? Critism and hate is a part of life, it sucks, but you just have to get over it and accept it.
So, again, anything that is not normal, i.e. doesn't pertain to the majority, is bad and wrong? IS that what you believe?
If I am wrong, and you are right, then I don't like what America is trying to accomplish, and that is my opinion. I like how America accepts different people and different cultures, but don't like the idea of combining them all together.

and no, something is not bad just because it does not pertain to the majority, I never said that. Society has and probably always will judge those who are different than the norm.
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:39 PM
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Ok autodidact..if you dont believe there is a god, and you dont talk to him, you would have no clue why he apparently hates homosexuals then.. Get my point?

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Having sex with another man, if you are a man, makes you feel like a man, but makes you act like a women. Its all deception, and god isnt trying to spoil our fun, he is trying to help us.
Heneni,

Also Im curious along this line of thinking what characteristics would a person that has intercourse with same sex and opposite sex take on?....What would they become?..More homosexual or more heterosexual?

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But if we don't fight it, it will never get better. Every triumph so far has come through determination, hard work and education. That's what will and must continue to happen for any injustice to be righted. If I were to just accept that my government is going to treat me like a second-class citizen and don't try to change things, then I have no one to blame but myself when that's exactly how they treat me.


What will never get better? Your life? What is it that you want? Sorry, but the people that dislike homosexuality most likely always will, and most likely will always try to slow you down in life. Are things really so bad? Worse than my life? Everyone has different problems all the time. The government can change your rights, but they can't change individual opinions.
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Oh dear mball

Why oh why do i need to debate with you when you dont want to come out of the closet yourself? And what in the world do I have to gain if you do? You think i am debating my point so that i can gain support. LOL...the only support i have is the evidence presented in this thread. Its enough for me. And the evidence is in your own posts. You feel good about yourself when you gain support...it makes you feel accepted. Exactly my point isnt it. Do I feel less worthy because you are not agreeing with me? I would hardly link my self worth to human perspective. So then why cant homosexuals lighten up?

Im not a christian in hiding. You avoid flack because you hide. I have a little more guts than that! And since you claim to not be a homosexual, why isnt autodidact harping on you for talking about something you know nothing about.

Double standards. Always trying to avoid the obvious misdemeanors.

Heneni
So, you don't want to answer the question? You obviously don't have to, I'm just trying to open your eyes and show you a mirror. I assume that if people made statements like those in my previous post, you'd take offense. You don't have to admit to it, but, if you're honest you'll at least admit it to yourself. People take offense to your generalizations the same way you take offense to my comments, because they're not true for the entire group.

You have also refused to answer my previous question, what difference does it make whether or not I'm gay? As I said, I'll claim to be gay if you want. I don't know what that changes, but I'm hoping you'll tell me.

Autodidact isn't harping on me because her point is not that you know nothing about homosexuals, it's that you belive false info about them. I don't believe or promote this false info. I promote education and correct information.

you forget so quickl that I'm not the one with double standards here. That's you.
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