Why does God hate Homosexuals and why did he create them? (priest, homosexuality)

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Apparently you cannot read; play as you will but please it is a blatant lie to ever sell, preach or convey the same sex relations is normal.

The fact that someone disagrees with you does not mean that they're lying. Among other possibilities, it may mean that you're wrong. As I said before, define "normal."

And we all know homosexuals love the religious networks as the catholic sect is still righting checks for all them youngsters who were taken advantage of by folk like you who think it is OK to convey same sex as normal.

Did you maybe mean pedophilia? You do know that's not at all the same thing as homosexuality, right?

[Bishadi]

the self centered few who simply want to have all their same sex fun in open public

See what I mean…. Again…

that was the line written; which means the overtish nature of sexually driven relations in open public……..

but this is what was written

Gays have sex in open public?

a word twist for misrepresentation

then we find another who suggest

It sounds as if you have not had the opportunity to experience physical intimacy as a way to communicate and experience true love.

How can someone suggest that?

This person has no idea of what I have experienced but still attacks because I am not ‘for’ their cause.

I have been in love with 2 gay women and each of them loved me because I accepted them as people and I cared more for them for who they are and their compassion for people. Both maintained their relations with other women as they enjoyed the pleasures and one even returned with a partner to share that a man can be genuinely enjoyable without the selfishness many have imposed to these women

I feel compassion for you, and hope that you will have this experience one day; it's the best.

Sex has never been ‘better’ just for the personal release as any one can release any time they want. Sex is best when you can contribute your energy, time and love for the ‘other’ to receive compassion, care and attention.

You share how it is you, that is why you enjoy same sex, where in my opinion, sex is about giving and contributing with little needs of the self as the priority. That is where lust comes in and not a man (women) alive (age warranting) who has not walked into the room and thought, ‘this ones for me!’

Hey we are all human but we are all not honest.

Sorry Tau…….. I was not in this discussion to win, but to share and give… if you think I am in these forums for myself, then you have missed the mark. These threads on gays are for me to learn so that I can understand and contribute for our future generations. To find questions and quality opinions that share a form or compassion that ‘maybe’ I had not seen before.

But I guess I lost as the majority communicating back with me are simply selfish pigs who care nothing but for their own cause and continuance of selfish ignorance……….

A group of selfish, self-centered, lying, deceitful, bigots!

[mball1297]

Bishadi, I'm giving up. I just think it's sad that there are people who think like you, and refuse to see any other way of thinking. Unfortunatley in your case, I don't see any way to change it, but hopefully I'm wrong.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

I summarized that, his position represents; that if the bible does not say against, it must be ok

No, my position is just that if the bible doesn't prohibit it, then it doesn't prohibit it. Whether it is O.K. is a separate issue, more personal. I believe that it is. If you don't, I suggest that you refrain from practicing it.

Creation is a phenomenon to describe unanswered questions; it is not reality.

Didn't understand a word.

Yep! Just as your agenda is for one purpose; supporting gays and has nothing to do with supporting our future.

Are you trying to say that permitting homosexuality would somehow endanger our future existence? How?

Sorry, your integrity is as bright as a 2 watt light bulb.

Is it possible for you to debate the issues rather than attacking other people?

So far each contradiction has come from a pretty much pro gay representation simply because most will not even touch a liar as the stripes continuously change.

It would be helpful if you would respond to specific posts as people make them, rather than making these blanket judgments.

See what I mean about comprehension. The 2 do not mix. Nature is science, darwin and reality. Creation is fibs, preachers and gay folk; complacent.

I think I agree with this, if I understand you.

Were the practioners 'gay' as they chose same sex relations? Yes or no!

Those whose victims were male were homosexual and pedophiles. Those whose victims were female were heterosexual and pedophiles.

Hey most gay folk were created from some occurrance adverse to their sexual development at a young age. Look up the stats yourself.

No, it's your assertion, you back it up with research. And you're wrong.

OK so tell them sex is good and if they want to play with men (same sex) keep it in the bedroom. same thing I suggest to you but for some reason you think, different is normal when it comes to the association of human beings sexual preferences.

Where else would you keep it? Have you ever in your life seen two men having sex in public? I haven't. Why wouldn't different be normal? Is it your position that only the majority is normal? That left-handed people, red-heads, very tall or very intelligent people are abnormal?

Then never in the area of children ever represent gay as normal to existence but that it is your own desire or preference. Everyone can live with that but never will the majority on this globe ever recognize same sex as normal and to even consider it as your pursuit is blatantly a 'loss to the common.'

You have not yet explained why you think it is not normal. The fact that it occurs in all cultures and all periods, as well as in most other mammals, leads me to think that it is very normal. I don't yet know what you mean by "normal." If you mean, "followed by the majority" then no, it's not.

[Bishadi]

Bishadi, I'm giving up. I just think it's sad that there are people who think like you, and refuse to see any other way of thinking. Unfortunatley in your case, I don't see any way to change it, but hopefully I'm wrong.

Nothing can change the truth!

Just as most preachers tell me the same thing

there are people who think like you, and refuse to see any other way of thinking

Because the truth is absolute; there is no changing what is real, no matter how people sugar coat it.

Then below we have the same question reappear when any human being can find the answers themselves if they simply remain honest with themselves…

As I said before, define "normal."

can I use a universal definition of the word or do I need to use your definition?

The Oxford English Dictionary defines "normal" as 'conforming to a standard'. This, although almost right, is not entirely correct. "A normal" is someone who conforms to the ideals of society.

And from an autodidact, you would think seeking knowledge and truth is what is more important than beliefs and complancency to self preservation.

Most real autodidacts stand for what is good to society (normal) rather than good for themselves (isolated self-serving doctrine/knowledge)

Again another bigot

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology

You do not like what anyone has to say and intolerant of opinions so you have earned the name bigot!

Maybe if each of you began with honesty and compassion for others first, maybe you could stand up and be counted as ‘good’ human beings!

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

The point is, through out all species the main purpose of sex is proceation. deviation from that purpuse is just lust.

Well I don't know that lust is necessarily a bad thing, but is your position that any sex that is not done with the explicit purpose of procreation is wrong? On what do you base that?

Anyway, the topic of the thread is the Biblical position on it. The Biblical position is:
Lesbianism is fine. Male homosexuality may or may not be a sin, depending on how you translate and interpret certain passages. Fornication is a sin; adultery and incest are sins, and divorce is a big sin for Christians. That about sums it up. Why do we never see threads decrying divorce? Is it because so many Christians are divorced?

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

do you think you are the first to poses this same argument?

..... sorry but that is not the debate otherwise i could go the illness sector and ask, if a man and women had penatration in the standard form will he experience a better chance of getting sick if he does not clean himself over and above a man and man doing the 'tration?

So your form of argument is less that satifactory and simply a disregard for reasoning articulation.

God don't hate homo's as they exist within the total; god.

But when the choices of them homosexuals is geared towards their own desires and of no concern for the majority (open exposure to the public), then them selfish choices are the ill regard to all mankind. Go play as you wish but the 'unnatural' belongs out of public exposure. That is the whole issue of my opinionated responses but for some reason some ignorant self serving fool has to makeup some dumb question as if to pin me down with logic.

Play with someone else, this opinion shares knowledge that encumbers far more than you may understand, so please see if the logic is truly compassionate before running the keyboard with foolish attempts to corner the truth!

I didn't understand a word. Did anyone else?