If a god is truly beyond our understanding (Earth, theist)

[Bishadi]

Bishadi, First of all and in order to understand each other better, Vanity as used in the Bible means with an end (that it passes away , that it has limits) eternity doesn’t, Knowledge also has an end the knowledge of those that you mentioned has already been replace by new ones, on that day of judgement God will put an end to all human knowledge, with the absolute truth “ we shall see him as He is.
I agree with you on this “Equality comes from knowledge ”

But we know that when He shall be revealed (at that day), we shall be like Him (equality in knowledge), for we shall see Him as He is (wisdom, truth itself)

So what do you see?

Do any of the words share ‘equality’? Is it possible that the universal knowledge granting equality could be based in understanding ‘light’ and the pure physical comprehension of how the natural existence of ‘life’ works, could be the combining knowledge that breaks all barriers of culture?

For to understand God, and find the truth in nature and the contributions of men (knowledge; words), then as the evolution continues, that final revealing is Understanding!

(wisdom, the truth itself)

perfect!

No man is perfect: follow the words of knowledge for that 'wisdom, the truth itself.'

All a man/women can do is make the choice!

Now that is the 'golden key,' ............ to understanding 'light.'

[emiliano]

So what do you see?

What I’ve been telling you “God is beyond our understanding, the opening post says “I often use logic and reasoning to try to grasp the notion of a "god", and although I have tried many times before to accept a god's existence” this is finite mind in search of understanding of an infinity mind.

Do any of the words share ‘equality’? Is it possible that the universal knowledge granting equality could be based in understanding ‘light’ and the pure physical comprehension of how the natural existence of ‘life’ works, could be the combining knowledge that breaks all barriers of culture?

I think that seeking knowledge is a good thing and it brings understanding (light) just don’t get frustrated if you don’t get a final answer or don’t understand what other people believe,

For to understand God, and find the truth in nature and the contributions of men (knowledge; words), then as the evolution continues, that final revealing is Understanding!

I’ll say it again “we know that when He shall be revealed (at that day), we shall be like Him (equality in knowledge), for we shall see Him as He is.

No man is perfect: follow the words of knowledge for that 'wisdom, the truth itself.'

Not this side of life, but there will come a day in which we will be, I understand perfect as lacking in absolutely nothing, lacking nothing in knowledge, we will see His as He is, lacking nothing in life, we will have an eternal one.

All a man/women can do is make the choice!

Yes they can also choose not to make a choice and live in hope and trusting in whom they believe.

Now that is the 'golden key,' ............ to understanding 'light.'

My golden key is hope, faith and trust, if you key delivers the happiness that you are in pursuit of, congratulations. And I hope that this is a good answer for science is my God, if this fails I would recommend mine.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by emiliano

What I’ve been telling you “God is beyond our understanding, the opening post says “I often use logic and reasoning to try to grasp the notion of a "god", and although I have tried many times before to accept a god's existence” this is finite mind in search of understanding of an infinity mind.

How about a notion of existence itself?

Nature and everything around you. Such as the get MET line of thought. (all mass, energy, time; the total) It seems since the old works shares not to describe as well still the alpha-omega, and then in science even Einstein noted the interrelation of all mass by a 'spooky action' (entanglement) which there is a method of combining the three (MET) so that science is returned to fundamental foundations as well offering descriptions to undescribed phenomenon.

I think that seeking knowledge is a good thing and it brings understanding (light) just don’t get frustrated if you don’t get a final answer or don’t understand what other people believe,

Noting what others believe and accepting opinions as just that, is what interactions and socializing is a for (forums). It is the diversity that offers the various pieces to the puzzle.

I’ll say it again “we know that when He shall be revealed (at that day), we shall be like Him (equality in knowledge), for we shall see Him as He is.

SO what is wrong with today? As anyone can go online and observe the library of congress but since magic does not place the words into memory and thought; knowledge must still be sought, to be understood.

Not this side of life, but there will come a day in which we will be, I understand perfect as lacking in absolutely nothing, lacking nothing in knowledge, we will see His as He is, lacking nothing in life, we will have an eternal one.

The cycles of time; eternal. And to recognize that which is all around you and the skills of survival; not much wanting, unless for the self, of things.

Yes they can also choose not to make a choice and live in hope and trusting in whom they believe.

That again is strictly a choice which often shares itself in complacency. But as each new generation is born, many do not simply roll over to complacency and even may suggest 'science is my god.' i.e.... wanting the truth!

My golden key is hope, faith and trust, if you key delivers the happiness that you are in pursuit of, congratulations. And I hope that this is a good answer for science is my God, if this fails I would recommend mine.

It seems that most start off with someone elses but in time many find within themselves and within the diversity of 'truth' that in order to comprehend; often it takes trust in yourself and your own integrity versus maintaining hope in 'theirs.'

[emiliano]

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How about a notion of existence itself?

This have been dealt with, with the argument of intelligent design, I am sure that this has been presented to Science is my God several times, the watch maker argument, he requires more, but the problem is that He set His mind with the pre-conceived premise “there is no God”

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Nature and everything around you. Such as the get MET line of thought. (all mass, energy, time; the total) It seems since the old works shares not to describe as well still the alpha-omega, and then in science even Einstein noted the interrelation of all mass by a 'spooky action' (entanglement) which there is a method of combining the three (MET) so that science is returned to fundamental foundations as well offering descriptions to undescribed phenomenon.

Well, here we have a problem, if this person tries to grasp the notion of a "god", under MET premises an answer is impossible. From my point of view
( I am a Christian) Mass, God is a Spirit , He has no mass although He is it creator, Energy, God is all the energy that existed in the beginning (the Alpha, first mover of the creation), Time, God exist outside of Time (He is eternal), Total, God is the total the beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega.
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Noting what others believe and accepting opinions as just that, is what
interactions and socializing is a for (forums). It is the diversity that offers the various pieces to the puzzle.
SO what is wrong with today? As anyone can go online and observe the library of congress but since magic does not place the words into memory and thought; knowledge must still be sought, to be understood.

I am sure that Science is my god has accessed this resources and the puzzle is still there, and we are unable to give a better solution than: God is beyond human understanding, we can only receive this spiritual wisdom from God.
Exo 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all workmanship,
There are no libraries that can contain this spiritual knowledge at this time.
1Ki 3:12 behold, I have done according to your words. Lo, I have given you a wise and an understanding heart, so that there was none like you before you, and after you none shall arise like you.
Phi 4:7 And the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

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It seems that most start off with someone elses but in time many find within themselves and within the diversity of 'truth' that in order to comprehend; often it takes trust in yourself and your own integrity versus maintaining hope in 'theirs.'

The Christian belief is that only God can give us the spiritual knowledge to understand Him, If will that you shall have, you will, if He wills your Salvation, you will be Saved. Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,
This worked for me, this is how I came to faith, doe it have to the same for everybody? No, this is how He became my Lord and Saviour, other will be called and receive God’s Mercy in a personal way. He has Mercy on whom He wants and when He will.

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by science_is_my_god

I often use logic and reasoning to try to grasp the notion of a "god", and although I have tried many times before to accept a god's existence, I cannot. I argue to theists my logic, my reasoning, even my "gut instinct". And yet, many times I hear the arguements that a god's existence is beyond human comprehension. That I cannot use my logic to logically analize my logic, because it could be flawed. And quite frankly, I agree. However, if such an arguement is used, a god could NOT possibly want our belief in his existence. Why? Because if he created the universe, and therefor created my understanding, and put himself above it,that either means he created my understanding by accident, or that he intended me to disbelieve in him.

Does anyone agree/disagree? Does anyone have thoughts on this?

Do you know anything about set theory. I put it this way. If a being existed which created the universe as well as the natural laws which we perceive than that being would exist outside the set of our understanding. In other words...the entire collective of human experience would reside within the set of God and we could not conceive the totality of a being which extends beyond the set of our experience.

It is beyond this notion in which faith resides and I have found to be personally irrelevant in understanding the set of the universe in which we ascribe meaning.

[Bishadi]

This have been dealt with, with the argument of intelligent design,

The only thing perfect about the term ‘intelligent design’ would be if you find engineering material to review and it works. Meaning my chevy was created by ‘intelligent design.’

There is no religion that will share the total interrelation of knowledge as MET will share; the absolute truth behind the matters.

Well, here we have a problem, if this person tries to grasp the notion of a "god", under MET premises an answer is impossible.

How can you say that?

A form of mass and energy exchanging is how you can type into that terminal. No theological representation ever shared the knowledge to comprehend that. Same goes with just about every vaccine on earth or even how to tie your shoes.

So imagine a world of small pox or rampant malaria, maybe even without aspirin or even to live without a car.

In each case knowledge (mankind) is the creator of the physical descriptions (the words to articulate the terms). In which all operate within the confines of mass and energy as man continues to define them. The descriptions may vary but all the same ‘within mass, energy and time’

.......literally within the confines of the total; God. (Alpha-omega.)

I am sure that Science is my god has accessed this resources and the puzzle is still there, and we are unable to give a better solution than: God is beyond human understanding, we can only receive this spiritual wisdom from God.

it would be like seeing someone ride a bike and then in the manual it says, ‘you are not capable to ride this bike’…

Why believe what one opinion suggests? Is it to be accepted? To belong?

Maybe read a few others opinions, ask a few questions or maybe observe ‘how it works’ before falling to the complacency of that the single opinion or literature. Especially if that literature was from people who never owned a bike.

Exo 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all workmanship,

This would be someone to pay attention too.

Then I can ask him what the MeV of the higgs boson or graviton is without having the trillion dollar expense to our country (and global community).

Maybe ask how to address diabetes or how to address the world’s energy needs.

And why there is no windows updated in the new testament.

But the best question would be about ‘how am I alive?’

There are no libraries that can contain this spiritual knowledge at this time.

So for one to say, ‘do unto others as thy would have done unto you’………. is this not perfect wisdom?

That to say, ‘each is One with the universe’ ………. Is this not perfect wisdom?

What about, ‘eat or you will die’…… and even at the first suckle…mom showed you; not the bible.

1Ki

3:12 behold, I have done according to your words. Lo, I have given you a wise and an understanding heart, so that there was none like you before you, and after you none shall arise like you.

Is that why they suggest ‘let him who hath understanding’ recognize the number of the birth. For it is a period in time, the 6th month of the 66th year….. in a period where knowledge is simply at the finger tips of any who have a computer.

Where the heart to pursue that knowledge is within the compassion to simply understand.

Seems when the choice of a human is to reach the stars, in less than a 100 years, they are standing on the moon.

In the day of the bible’s ‘creators’ if a man said, ‘we are going to the moon,’ your logic represents, they would call him a liar, cut off his head, burn his books and then call him an anti Christ or something crazy like that.

[qutoe] Phi 4:7 And the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus [/quote] And MET, passes all tests of understanding except that unless knowledge is pursued nothing in existence can ‘fix’ the ignorance of the complacent.

If each life intended only to read one book for comprehension, then I could see how hope could be maintained as the core to faith; each would know very little else to understand.

So to have a revealing, seems the choice to understand is that first premise.

And since we are in a world that literally offers that ability, it seems prudent that to be honest with yourself, never ‘represent a false witnessing’ and always retain the compassion of humility over and above the needs of the self.

[emiliano]

The only thing perfect about the term ‘intelligent design’ would be if you find engineering material to review and it works. Meaning my chevy was created by ‘intelligent design.’

Let see, the fist inquiry would be, I see my chevy, it exist, Dit it created it self. No, it has a creator, an engineer. Did this engineer created him self. No he didn’t, he has a creator, now is this creator intelligent……… everything in this chain seems to be perfectly working for a purpose, thus He is very intelligent.

There is no religion that will share the total interrelation of knowledge as MET will share; the absolute truth behind the matters

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That’s the problem, God the subject of the inquiry is a spirit (no mass) and we are going nowhere, our only hope is that He gives us spiritual wisdom, then and only then our intellect can ascend to spiritual knowledge. God, truth itself, the greatest conceivable being.

Why believe what one opinion suggests? Is it to be accepted? To belong?

Maybe read a few others opinions, ask a few questions or maybe observe ‘how it works’ before falling to the complacency of that the single opinion or literature. Especially if that literature was from people who never owned a bike.

I have to re-direct this one to Science is my God, I am not in doubts, he is, I am not seeking, I know all I need to know for now.

This would be someone to pay attention too.

Then I can ask him what the MeV of the higgs boson or graviton is without having the trillion dollar expense to our country (and global community)

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What would you do with this knowledge?

Maybe ask how to address diabetes or how to address the world’s energy needs.

That was taken care of, they are called dietary laws (checked it out in the OT)

So for one to say, ‘do unto others as thy would have done unto you’………. is this not perfect wisdom?

It would be perfect if everybody abide by them, but we don’t so it isn’t prefect it lacks something that only God can gives us, and He will at the appointed time (His time, not ours)

That to say, ‘each is One with the universe’ ………. Is this not perfect wisdom?

Again, this is wisdom, but perfect wisdom?

What about, ‘eat or you will die’…… and even at the first suckle…mom showed you; not the bible.

Babies are born with an instinct, as soon as the baby’s side of it face touches the breast it triggers the reflex and the baby searches and suckles they don’t need to be shown.

[kai]

Originally Posted by science_is_my_god

I often use logic and reasoning to try to grasp the notion of a "god", and although I have tried many times before to accept a god's existence, I cannot. I argue to theists my logic, my reasoning, even my "gut instinct". And yet, many times I hear the arguements that a god's existence is beyond human comprehension. That I cannot use my logic to logically analize my logic, because it could be flawed. And quite frankly, I agree. However, if such an arguement is used, a god could NOT possibly want our belief in his existence. Why? Because if he created the universe, and therefor created my understanding, and put himself above it,that either means he created my understanding by accident, or that he intended me to disbelieve in him.

Does anyone agree/disagree? Does anyone have thoughts on this?

its snake oil , when the going gets tough God (any of them) becomes unknowable beyond our comprehension.