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Old 05-10-2008, 08:45 PM
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How to respond to one that 'Proved' lousy logic?
If it happens we will let you know...
Since it hasn't happened here in the real world.

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a point was made, you ducked.... ooops!
What do ducks have to do with it?

Wait...
Let me guess, something to do with a quack perhaps?
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Old 05-10-2008, 09:24 PM
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How to respond to one that 'Proved' lousy logic?

a point was made, you ducked.... ooops!
Dude,
I was talking to science_is_my_god.
I was making a joke about his name.
If you paid attention to my "logical proof" you'd see that I specifically said his god, not God in general.
You are an *****.


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Old 05-11-2008, 09:33 AM
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I have tried to discount God's existence based on logic and have been about as successful as you have been trying to do the exact opposite.
I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
I believe that this refers to the after life and resurrection, the Lord coming with the clouds, at judgement day Luk 21:27 And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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Personally, I come from a religious tradition that stresses that God wants us to know Him.
One thing is to know Him and another to know about Him, to know about Him, we read the scriptures, to know Him you must ask for His mercy
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:35 AM
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I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
I believe that this refers to the after life and resurrection, the Lord coming with the clouds, at judgement day Luk 21:27 And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

One thing is to know Him and another to know about Him, to know about Him, we read the scriptures, to know Him you must ask for His mercy
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:06 PM
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I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be.
So that means how could any at the time know what the 'truth' is. (it has not yet been reveled what we shall be)

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But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
A man! Just like any of mankind, like you! The only difference is 'integrity' to the truth and in this "man's' world each defining frame of this man is for the most part incorrect. That man is not special it is the choice that was made; the knowledge to be understood, that is the importance.

It is by knowledge that each person can be equal with each other, with god, of god, to know god, and walk as pure with the good of god.


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I believe that this refers to the after life and resurrection,
An after life is by what you do, note how long people have been speaking 'do unto other as ....' by confucious....... he is still alive in his gift to us by the compassion of his choice...

Just as JC contributed, darwin, newton, etc etc etc..... contibutions and the gift to combine knowledge for the next generation to understand.

resurection has never occurred in all existence; why believe what has never occurred.

The first clue is a fib of magic or omnipotencemust be used to describe the method of the physical causation.

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the Lord coming with the clouds, at judgement day Luk 21:27 And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
All based on faith; not evidence of a universal truth.

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One thing is to know Him and another to know about Him, to know about Him, we read the scriptures, to know Him you must ask for His mercy
Knowing god is as easy is watching a bird or looking to nature as it represents the true evolution of life. To know about god is simply to learn. To know god in physical of literally reality is simply to experience life without any predeterminations of any needs, desires or wants; simply love life and be thankful each moment you can experience.

To be like god; give of your energy for life to continue. Plant a tree in good soil, with good water and give it love; when you die, that life will live beyond you and to all them critters, bees and birds, you were the god who created that existence in that period of time.

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Old 05-11-2008, 12:21 PM
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Why? Because if he created the universe, and therefor created my understanding, and put himself above it,that either means he created my understanding by accident, or that he intended me to disbelieve in him.
The book of Romans states that all things created know their creator. Perhaps the complete understanding you seek is not part of the plan. There is a difference between knowledge and understanding and this requires faith. This is something that the Bible requires.

You are looking for something you will not find in this life. Looking harder will not help.
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:31 PM
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Integrity darling........ requires integrity!

The bible requires nothing, it is a book written by men.

Integrity is where knowledge and understanding both combine for the truth.

Without knowledge the truth could never exist. Without understanding, religions rule!

Remember the old line;

'let him who hath understanding'
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Originally Posted by emiliano I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be.
So that means how could any at the time know what the 'truth' is. (it has not yet been reveled what we shall be)
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But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.


Consider what the verse says: “we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is“ it says to me that at judgement day we shall see the glorified Lord Jesus in our glorified bodies, our sacred book teaches Joh 7:39 (But He spoke this about the Spirit, which they who believed on Him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.) what we will see the Lord in all His glory, we can only do this in our glorify new bodies, the one we will have at judgement day. In our passage through this life and in this corruptible body we can not see this, we are commanded to walk this life by faith and not by sight, we know that He is truth by faith.
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A man! Just like any of mankind, like you! The only difference is 'integrity' to the truth and in this "man's' world each defining frame of this man is for the most part incorrect. That man is not special it is the choice that was made; the knowledge to be understood, that is the importance.
No we don’t believe that, what we believe is that we will be in a glorified body like he is, he is the first and the head, He was glorified and so shall we.

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It is by knowledge that each person can be equal with each other, with god, of god, to know god, and walk as pure with the good of god.

Our knowledge is limited by our present bodies, its limits us by constantly demanding the attention of our minds, and is constantly disturbed by a myriad of desires, infirmities and emotions, we will stand on that day in a body that has none of this disturbances, we shall be like Him.

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Just as JC contributed, darwin, newton, etc etc etc..... contibutions and the gift to combine knowledge for the next generation to understand.
Jesus contribution is eternal life, darwin, newton, etc etc etc..... contibutions and the gift to combine knowledge for the next generation to understand.
Is vanity (it will pass away) this knowledge does not give eternal life therefore is not what I would pursuit with all my being.
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I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. So that means how could any at the time know what the 'truth' is. (it has not yet been reveled what we shall be)


But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Actually if each have the same knowledge of ‘how life exists’ then each can create an existence by choice. Try planting a tree and see. That tree will far out live your body and to the birds, the bees and all the little critters, you were the creator of that environment.


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Consider what the verse says: “we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is“
Just as mentioned with 'good' (supports life) knowledge, we each by choice can create life for 'life to continue.'