If a god is truly beyond our understanding (Earth, theist)

[logician]

Originally Posted by lilithu

My logic and reasoning neither proves nor disproves God.

At any rate, I can easily prove to you via logic that god exists.

A. Science is your god.
B. Science exists.
C. Therefore, your god exists.

I don't think it's intellectually honest to ascribe the term "god" to any attribute or entity.

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Who are you talking to?

The person who posted the OP, who goes by the moniker "science_is_my_god."

Originally Posted by logician

I don't think it's intellectually honest to ascribe the term "god" to any attribute or entity.

I am just going by what the guy's own claim. The argument certainly wouldn't work for my god, but I didn't say that it would.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by lilithu

The person who posted the OP, who goes by the moniker "science_is_my_god."

Ok.
i was just wanting to make sure because your reply did not make sense to my post right before it.

[Bishadi]

I am a little confused - we do have responsibblity because we were not created. If God created us - then it would be His creation, His mess. Instead, we have agency, and so the responsibility falls onto our own shouldiers. Does this take away from God? Any being can create a robot. It takes a God to form another being who has agency. If we become His creation - His creation would be nothing less than He is, and He is eternal, with agency

Yep! Confused!

Think in reality; all of existence; all mass, all energy, all time; or simply all of it…….. as God.

So life exists as time began. Life evolved over time. Man is simply of mass, energy, time within the total, with a unique ability to experience within time. We see, and know life within existence.

Man created words! Think about it. So then knowledge evolves. As time progresses eventually mass can physically comprehend its existence; the revealing.

I am confused as to why anyone would follw a sect that states that they do not have the truth???

I agree!

That it is impossible to find the truth - so don't even try? Is that the message?

Not on your life!

Jer 9:3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth ...

Or like another friend said

“To live in accordance with the essence of things, is the premise of the moral life. One cannot live in peace of mind without at the same time being in harmony with reality.”

Also,

“The premises of a moral life is based on a covenant with reality.” “No life is authentic that is in conflict with the order of the universe.”

Socrates

And not knowing the order of the universe constitutes a serious handicap in living a moral life!

You may mean well, but I seek the truth - the one and only truth, not a bunch of contradicting politically correct excuses that "everybody is right" to make everyone feel better - everybody is not right - obvously, it is better to state that in the open and change rather than wallow in ignorance and pretend that everything is peachy

My sentiments exactly and so unless a person comprehends how life exists in nature and what life is in true reality versus thinking life is ‘breathing,’ then each rendition is simply an opinion and not true to existence.

My logic and reasoning neither proves nor disproves God.

At any rate, I can easily prove to you via logic that god exists.

A. Science is your god.
B. Science exists.
C. Therefore, your god exists.

Lousy logic, confidently speaking. Science is the pursuit of physical truth. Meaning no spirit built your laptop, no spiritual belief teaches a doctor the medical field.

Science is a choice to understand in an unbiased manner of accepting reality as it is versus the opinions of beliefs or that omnipotence governs.

exactly, and faith is the substance of the hope for things unseen...

they have faith that science will provide them with all the answers

And without science we would not be communicating right now.

The sciences is where most every person relies upon in every day for food, clothing and the medical requisites to continue life. Religions give people culture and a sense of belonging wrapped up in wisdom and associating in a compassionate organization.

But religions cannot extend the physical life nor the understanding of life in the literal sense.

All it can do is make someone feel good by maintaining the precepts that magic and omnipotence is what makes up the day; a path of complacent misunderstandings.

[idea]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

I hope you have more than that verse to support your theory.

please see post 2 link

see also:
Eccl. 12:7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
return = has been there before

Jer. 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee
our birth was not our beginning - we had no beginning.

Zech. 12:1 Lord ... formeth the spirit of man within him
again - form, not create - form something that was already there. That is why He is our "Heavenly" Father - He formed our spirits in Heaven before asking us to come here.

John 9:2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind
indicating that "this man" was able to sin before he was born - ie - existed before he was born.

Acts 17:28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring
again God as a Heavenly Father, formed our spirits
Rom. 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate
He knew us before we came to Earth.

Eph. 1:4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world
He knew us before we came to Earth.

Heb. 12:9 subjection unto the Father of spirits
Jude 1:6 angels which kept not their first estate
Rev. 12:7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon
We were in the war in Heaven, we were the angels that fought with Michael (Adam). That is why we are now here.

18 spirits ... have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.

What do you think "eternal" life means? Eternal is something with no end and no beginning. God exists eternally, we do too. He would not be able to give us "eternal" life if we were not eternal beings.

[Bishadi]

What do you think "eternal" life means?

Can you show the math behind that comment or is it simply based on a book around the 4th century when the nicene council made JC a god?

Eternal is something with no end and no beginning.

Like the description of change by the Eastern sects; yin and yang?

God exists eternally, we do too. He would not be able to give us "eternal" life if we were not eternal beings

So charles manson will live forever too?

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Lousy logic, confidently speaking. Science is the pursuit of physical truth. Meaning no spirit built your laptop, no spiritual belief teaches a doctor the medical field.

Science is a choice to understand in an unbiased manner of accepting reality as it is versus the opinions of beliefs or that omnipotence governs.

And without science we would not be communicating right now.

The sciences is where most every person relies upon in every day for food, clothing and the medical requisites to continue life. Religions give people culture and a sense of belonging wrapped up in wisdom and associating in a compassionate organization.

But religions cannot extend the physical life nor the understanding of life in the literal sense.

All it can do is make someone feel good by maintaining the precepts that magic and omnipotence is what makes up the day; a path of complacent misunderstandings.

Thank you for the tirade. It was most predictable. Do you ever pay attention to the context within which a post is made??

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by lilithu

Thank you for the tirade. It was most predictable. Do you ever pay attention to the context within which a post is made??

How to respond to one that 'Proved' lousy logic?

a point was made, you ducked.... ooops!