Homosexuality and Religion (Jesus Christ, agnostic, LDS, bible, God)

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by Promulgatious

Duetoronomy and a conscience should be all that is needed for this.

It is because of the latter that I reject the former. Besides, the bible is only relevant to those who believe in it.

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by Somkid

It's ok with Buddhism, some Buddhists are kind of weird about it but nothing in the teachings are against it and it is not considered unnatural, however we do not believe in god.

I remember reading somewhere a while back that the Dali Lama denounced homosexuality, but of course he only represents a particular sect of Buddhism.

[nawab]

From what your replies, i think Jesus destroyed the law rather then fulfilling it, The Jews kept the commandments and PAul later dreams about Jesus that evrything is permissable. so whats the difference between Jesus Law and savagery. when everything is permissible dont quote Corinthians, romans they are written by Paul, lets stay on Mathew, Mark, John, Luke. I dont know if you know what is a red letter bible (A red letter bible is suppose any words said by Jesus is in red Ink and others in Black ink) so the verses you quote are from Paul not Jesus. The Law have yet to be kept.

Exactly when Jesus is refusing to be called Good, and the whole Christiandom say he is God, however this is a different topic. So, now everybody is unworthy of heaven why should anybody be unworthy of heaven, when you do good deeds, why should i go to Hell and am not worthy of heaven. pls explain.

Christians claim to be follwoing the whole bible which they are not, they only beleieve in John 3:16
they want to make thier religion so easy so that they can catch fish, get more followers, in otherwords more money, do you know that if you guys have money you can buy certificates of sins which you have not commmited but are planing to commit from the Pope you can Prepay for sins, the Christian world is so sophistiocated. Imagine you have made the religion into an enterprise.you can also buy a certificate to Paradise. I am sure you have them if not dont forget to buy them, the day of ressurection is near. I can teach you a way of doing business buy more certs and sell them is US for a price higher, so people wont be going to the Vatician but buying from you.

Everything is permissable (this is not Jesus who said it is paul ref. Red letter bible) which means prostitution, incest, adultry, idoltry, rape, murder, any savagery you can think about it is allowed in the Christian world.

When a human being marrys he becomes closer to God, whether it is a Man to a woman or a woman to a man but has to be of opposite sex to come closer to God, in Islam Marriage and Pregnancy uplifts a womans status, not like the bible You women you shall be cursed, you will multiply and bear labour pain.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by nawab

If Bible is not against Homosexuality, then why was Prophet Lut (Lot) nation destroyed, why was the wrath of God almight released on Sodom & Gomorrah.

Inhospitality and selfishness. [quote]

If God Almighty wanted to make Homosexuality Legal, at least Jesus would have allowed it, Which he didnt.

In fact He never mentions it.

The best sign is that even Animals of the lower functions dont practice homosexuality,

Yes, they do. Would you like me to cite the studies?

we Humans who are supposed to be the Vice Regents of God on earth are doing these sick acts. God made a man and a woman for a reason, a seed can only be produced by a Male & Female. Can two guys or two girls together get pregnet, i hardly doubt it.

So? Neither can an elderly heterosexual couple, does that make their love wrong?

Now the Christians have allowed Homosexuality, later they will allow Prostitution & Beastiality, and later to worship Satan. Because these things were also not forbidden in the bible.

You're mistaken.

Now back to Islam to be nearer to God you have to get marry with a girl. you cant even stay virgin all your life.

O.K., I think that rules that religion out for our OP. Good job at preventing another convert, nawab.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by nawab

From what your replies, i think Jesus destroyed the law rather then fulfilling it, The Jews kept the commandments and PAul later dreams about Jesus that evrything is permissable. so whats the difference between Jesus Law and savagery. when everything is permissible dont quote Corinthians, romans they are written by Paul, lets stay on Mathew, Mark, John, Luke. I dont know if you know what is a red letter bible (A red letter bible is suppose any words said by Jesus is in red Ink and others in Black ink) so the verses you quote are from Paul not Jesus. The Law have yet to be kept.

The Christian religion chose not to stay on Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; why exactly do you disregard Paul's epistles?

And while I did quote from the Epistles, I also made reference to the Gospels. You'll see that if you go back and read my previous post.

But even in the Gospels, there are plenty of examples of Jesus explaining (IMO) that the Commandments are a path to righteousness; they are not righteousness itself, and that righteousness can in some cases be acheived without the Commandments. Consider two contrasting Gospel verses (both "red-letter", which should keep you happy ):

Matthew 23:23:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Mark 2:23-28:

23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

In the first passage, Jesus declares that following the law is not always sufficient to be righteous. In the second, Jesus goes even further, and declares that sometimes, following the law is contrary to what is good.

Originally Posted by nawab

Exactly when Jesus is refusing to be called Good, and the whole Christiandom say he is God, however this is a different topic. So, now everybody is unworthy of heaven why should anybody be unworthy of heaven, when you do good deeds, why should i go to Hell and am not worthy of heaven. pls explain.

In mainstream Christian doctrine, only a perfect person would be worthy of Heaven based on his or her own merits, and the only perfect person is Christ, or God become man. In this context, for a person to claim that he is worthy of Heaven is to imply that he is perfect, and therefore on par with God. Most Christian denominations discourage people from exalting themselves to the status of God. In most Christian denominations, a person gains admittance to Heaven by Christ's merits and Christ's mercy, not by their own merits.

Originally Posted by nawab

Christians claim to be follwoing the whole bible which they are not, they only beleieve in John 3:16

Wait... didn't you just have a problem with the Epistles? Now you want Christians to follow more of the Bible?

Originally Posted by nawab

Everything is permissable (this is not Jesus who said it is paul ref. Red letter bible) which means prostitution, incest, adultry, idoltry, rape, murder, any savagery you can think about it is allowed in the Christian world.

If these things are only wrong because of the Law, then I suppose so. I'm not sure that all of them are only wrong because of the Law, though.

Originally Posted by nawab

When a human being marrys he becomes closer to God, whether it is a Man to a woman or a woman to a man but has to be of opposite sex to come closer to God, in Islam Marriage and Pregnancy uplifts a womans status, not like the bible You women you shall be cursed, you will multiply and bear labour pain.

Hang on - isn't the Bible considered to be a Holy Book in Islam too? Are you saying that Genesis is wrong?

[Charity]

Originally Posted by Melancholy

Nowhere in the bible does it say that "Homosexuality" is a sin.

I think you may have missed reading a few scriptures then.......

[painted wolf]

I remember reading somewhere a while back that the Dali Lama denounced homosexuality, but of course he only represents a particular sect of Buddhism.

From what I have heard he has no problem with people being homosexual... but has problems with practicing homosexual Buddhists. Its the denial of the self... he isn't keen on heterosexual sex for non-reproductive purposes either.
If the religion is about releasing ones self from desire than you can't exactly have an active sex life.

wa:do

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by nawab

...do you know that if you guys have money you can buy certificates of sins which you have not commmited but are planing to commit from the Pope you can Prepay for sins, the Christian world is so sophistiocated. Imagine you have made the religion into an enterprise.you can also buy a certificate to Paradise. I am sure you have them if not dont forget to buy them, the day of ressurection is near. I can teach you a way of doing business buy more certs and sell them is US for a price higher, so people wont be going to the Vatician but buying from you...

Um, first of all, this is a discussion forum, not a place to bash religion. Secondly, I have a slight inkling that that practice was pretty much done away with follwing the Protestant Reformation (it was one of the causes, after all). But then again, what would I know... *sigh*

[Tau]

Originally Posted by rheff78

Look, sex IS used for other puproses but that doesn't mean it wasn't jsut designed for procreation. Look, a wrench is designed to be a tool, I can use it as a weapon but it was DESIGNED for another purpose. Just because you use it for something else, doesn't make it right.

Doesn't make it wrong either, nature abounds with homosexuality, many animal species display the behaviour, it has biological imperitive and thus exists.
Homosexuality is not a bad thing thing at all in many situations.... for example its a shame it only barely reduces population growth, handy when resources are getting scarcer, the world more crowded, we should be encouraging it!

Gay is green lol