Homosexuality and Religion (Jesus Christ, agnostic, LDS, bible, God)

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Mike182

here's another simple theory: lets base moral arguments in reality, so they are relevant to what really goes on in society. the entire population will never be either gay or straight, and as Mesty pointed out that does not equate to infertile.

What??? Since when has it been acceptable to anyone to base moral arguments in reality, Mike! You certainly ask a lot. I'm shocked and dismayed both by your unrepentant radicalism.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

What??? Since when has it been acceptable to anyone to base moral arguments in reality, Mike! You certainly ask a lot. I'm shocked and dismayed both by your unrepentant radicalism.

I only base moral arguments upon reality, I assume you are just joking Sunstone?

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by texan1

No. I'm not trying to pick on the beliefs of a religion. Like I said, the OP wanted to find out what different religions thought of homosexuality.

They ALL are against unless someone in the last 30 years created new opinions. From Judaism, to confucious............. don't think there is a model on the globe that will ever offer an acceptance to homosexuality.

Why? Because most all of anyone in any reasoned thought process all recognize, homosexuality is for fun, curiousity and the self. It's kind of simple to be honest about reality. And if one out of a few 1000 is born a wee little different, it seems like common sense to offer them a little extra compassion to deal with the 'difference' but god knows to impose to the other 99% of the people and suggest it is normal, then all that occurs is more curiousity and more self and more individuals who have no issue with extremes to find new games to play. ie... if little boys knew it was possibly normal, many have no issue with taking a chance. So reality is not to expose children to the play of self seeking desires as they can often cross the lines with no responsibility to the actions.

You have very strong feelings against it so I simply wondered what your religion was if you had one.

Religions are guides not the truth. This is the 21st century, not the days of sparticus.

Yep, I've looked around in nature. Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon.

Phenomenon is a word to describe the unknown. Knowledge can help with removing complacency or simple the 'ignorance' of comprehension.

It appears in nature, so by your definition is part of the natural truth. So you are right; some people lie to themselves because they don't like to believe it's true.

Why not put up some statistics? In nature and in human stats what is the percentage of straight gays (natural living critters too) and the global population.

Never said gays are the 'tried it' people, I said, want to get married and actively represent their gaydom in open public. The ratio of people like you who are simply wanting to be heard and feel it is right that everyone should accept gays as a normal part of association within a compassionate society.

Put a percentage up and the data; peer reviewed.

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Phenomenon is a word to describe the unknown.

Nonsense. Where did you get that idea.

Phenomenon
1 plural phenomena : an observable fact or event
2 plural phenomena
a: an object or aspect known through the senses rather than by thought or intuition
b: a temporal or spatiotemporal object of sensory experience as distinguished from a noumenon
c: a fact or event of scientific interest susceptible to scientific description and explanation
3 a: a rare or significant fact or event
b plural phenomenons : an exceptional, unusual, or abnormal person, thing, or occurrence

[Nessa Nenharma]

They ALL are against unless someone in the last 30 years created new opinions. From Judaism, to confucious............. don't think there is a model on the globe that will ever offer an acceptance to homosexuality.

I would have to disagree with you there, in my religion we are in acceptance of being sexually free, be it either with the same sex or the opposite of. Just because YOU don't THINK homosexuality is ok, doesn't mean you should bring ALL religions in to support your cause. My religion teaches us that if a man chooses to be with a man, then so be it, it is their choice. Just as you chose to follow your own path in life, so must others.

To the OP, you can believe in a God without having to go into a faith that sees who you are as a person as "wrong". To me that is hypocritical of a God to punish you for what you are, whilst also punishing you for what you DON'T KNOW. I would take some time and learn different religions until you find the one that is right for you.

Although, I have always said: Better to be hated for who you are then loved for who you are not

[Bishadi]

OK... by definition you have provided evidence that to think the word phenomenon is used to describe the unknown, is a error or word usage.

Much of what interest my daily homework is to define the unaswered phenomena left upon earth.

So just because something is observed does not mean the description is correct.

Or simply since people can see a lion kill the cubs of a lioness, many observe the 'phenomenon' as simply cruel but reality has shared an evolutionary benefit to the reproduction attrition of the lion.

And such in this context (homosexuality) the observed phenomenon was used to suggest 'it is normal' when in reality the 'normal' is to ease frustration maybe the same way the catholic preachers do.

So the context of how I used the word could be quite valid....... to see the phenomenon..... and not comprehend why the phenomenon exists, turns the usage into a description of an unknown causation.

Why are there so many gay folk?

Maybe because the phenomenon has not been properly described/understood!

Like taking acid; strictly fun until someone understood what damage it can cause.

[texan1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Why? Because most all of anyone in any reasoned thought process all recognize, homosexuality is for fun, curiousity and the self. .

lol - so you think people decide to be gay "just for fun" because they are curious or something? I'm sure they have a lot of fun being judged by people like you.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

It's kind of simple to be honest about reality.

You'd think it would be simple, but a lot of people have a hard time accepting homosexuality as a normal part of reality.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

And if one out of a few 1000 is born a wee little different, it seems like common sense to offer them a little extra compassion to deal with the 'difference'

I am glad you are so compassionate towards those who are different from you.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

but god knows to impose to the other 99% of the people and suggest it is normal, then all that occurs is more curiousity and more self and more individuals who have no issue with extremes to find new games to play. ie... if little boys knew it was possibly normal, many have no issue with taking a chance. So reality is not to expose children to the play of self seeking desires as they can often cross the lines with no responsibility to the actions.

Not sure I understand what you are saying here. If we accept homosexuality, our little boys will turn gay? But if we don't accept homosexuals, they won't turn gay? That's an interesting theory. Do you have any peer-reviewed statistics on that?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Religions are guides not the truth.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Why not put up some statistics? In nature and in human stats what is the percentage of straight gays (natural living critters too) and the global population.

Homosexuals are a minority of the population. Does that automatically mean that it's okay for the majority to judge them and oppress them? Not sure what you are getting at here.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Never said gays are the 'tried it' people,

What's a 'tried it' people?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

I said, want to get married and actively represent their gaydom in open public.

So you don't mind homosexuals as long as they stay hidden, don't get married or participate in parades?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

The ratio of people like you who are simply wanting to be heard and feel it is right that everyone should accept gays as a normal part of association within a compassionate society. Put a percentage up and the data; peer reviewed.

I am not sure I understand you. I am expressing my opinion. Are you asking me to provide statistics of people who share my opinion? I don't understand what the purpose of that would be. I realize that I am not going to change your mind here, no matter what statistics I have, so we can agree to disagree.

But I don't think a society can call itself compassionate if it oppresses certain groups of the population simply because they differ in some way from the majority. Just my opinion.

[texan1]

By the way Andrew, if you are still following this thread, I found a link to a list of gay-friendly churches in the UK:

Welcoming Gay Christian Churches - UK and Europe (www.gaychurch.org)