Christ According To The Mormons (Jesus Christ, Latter Day Saints, Earth, mystic)

[OverStandIng]

The Mormons teach that there was a spirit child born which was the devil . And this spirit child elevated to be amongst the deities . A Council meeting was held to decide about the destiny of the devil and his evil advocated . A plan was presented to go to earth and rebuild and then so send the evil spirit childtren to live and take on mortal bodies and to learn Good and Bad to alter their nature for good . The devil put in his bid as savior of earth . There was one deity that stood up against them and said , '' Why Not Give Them Freedom Of Choice As Other Beings '' . The devil convinced many of the spirit children that were destined to go to earth , To revolt .

Now those who stayed neutral decision , whether to go to revolt with the devil or stay with the other deity , As to give the spirit children freedom of choice , Were Cursed with Black Skin .

2Nephi 15 ; 20 - 25 , And I Quote ; Wherefore , the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me , saving that ; Inasmuch as they will '' not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord . And behold they were cut off from his presence . Verse 21 . And he had caused the ( Cursing to come upon them ) yea , even a sore Cursing , because of their iniquity . For behold , they that they had become like unto a flint ; wherefore , as they were White , and exceedingly fair and delightsome , that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God ( Did Cause A Skin Of Blackness To Come Upon Them ) . Verse 22 . And thus saith the Lord God ; I will cause that they shall be loath-some unto thy people , save they shall repent of their iniquities . Verse 23 . And Cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed ; for they shall be Cursed even with the same Cursing . And the Lord spake it , and it was done . Verse 24 . And because of their Cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people , full of mischief and subtlety , and did seek in the wilderness for beast of prey . Verse 25 . And the Lord God said unto me ; They shall be a sourge unto thy seed , to '' stir them up in remembrance of me ; and inasmuch as they will not remember me , and hearken unto my words , they shall scourge them even unto destruction .

This is one of the ways they say Black People Came About . In their old Teaching they say Blacks were from The Curse Of Canaam . In both cases there's obviously Racism and it is beyond me , How any Nubian could belong to this organization The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Days Saints , As they presently call themselves , Which was founded on April 6 , 1830 A.D. By Joseph Fielding Smith . The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints Are Putting Commercials On Television In Order To Deceive People Into Thinking They Are Just An Ordinary Christian Group When They Have Their Own Bible By Their Own Self - Acclaimed Phrophet Joseph Fielding Smith . Who Was Born December 23 , 1805 A.D. In Sharon , Vermont .

When doing Research on the name Mormon itself . You will find that Mormon is A German word Mormo Meaning '' Bugbear , A Sceptre , A Hobgolin , A Ghoul , A Gargoyle , A Spirit , A Spook , An Ogre .

According to The Mormons , Joseph F . Smith was inspired by God , The and Jesus Christ who appeared to him near Palmyra , New York in 1820 A.D. They told him not to join any existing Church and to prepare for an important task , Joseph F . Smith also said that an Angel by the name of '' Moroni '' Who was considered the '' Last Nephilian , '' Visited him three years later on September 21 , 1823 A.D. And told him about Golden Plates on which the history of early people of The Western Hemisphere was engraved in an Ancient language , Joseph F . Smith found those plates in 1827 A.D. On a Hill Near Palmyra called Cumorah . Joseph F . Smith was able to translate these plates and he called it The Book Of Mormon Which was published in 1830 A.D.

Why isn't the picture of the Tablets in their book '' The Book Of Mormon '' Instead of a Cuneiform Tablet from Persia ? Why hasn't The Mormons been learning The Ancient language that Joseph F . Smith obviously know in order to translat these Mystical Tablets ? And why do the Mormons use The King James Version Of The Bible and clearly states in '' The Pillars Of Mormonism '' By Douglas V . Pond on Page 23 And I Quote '' The Book Of Mormon Is Not The Mormon Bible As Is Sometimes Supposed . It Is One Of The Complimetary Works That The Mormons Accept As Scriptures . The Mormons Does Not Believe That The Revelations Of God Were Confused To Ancient Israel . He Does Not Believe That The Loving Father Would Restrict His Communications To One Part Of His Family To One Time Of History Or To One Land .

This same man then can turn it around and say that This Loving God Does Restrict His Grace . To one Race , Namely The Caucasians . I Though We Were All Gods Children ? This Is Simply A Caucasians trying to interpretation to give The Anglo Saxon Protestants A Place In The Heaven Heaven . Why then do they use Greek expressions like Church , Christ , Christian , God , And Steal Names from The Bible such as Jacob and use The word Jew and Abraham and Isaac and many more Biblical names ? Yet they openly admit , As you just read . That they don't accept what the bible says and What Jesus says in Matthew 15 ; 25 And I Quote ; '' But He Answered And Said , I Am Not Sent But Unto The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel , '' ;.... Now look at Matthew 10 ; 5 - 6 And I Quote ; These Twelve Jesus Sent Forth And Commanded Them Saying , Go Not Into The Way Of The Gentiles And Into Any City Of The Samaritian Enter Ye Not . Verse 6 . But Go Rather To The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel . ''

So he openly admits to the Christian World that he goes against the laws and words and Commandment of Jesus and makes his own story up to try to justify Gentiles being accepted . And they call their book '' The Book Of Mormons , Another Testament Of Jesus Christ '' And in the title page it reads '' The Book Of Mormons an account written by the hand of Mormon upon plates taken from the plates if Nephi '' Beneath that is reads '' ... Wherefore It Is An Abridgment Of The Record Of The People Of Nephi '' And also '' Of The Lamanites - Written To The Lamanites Who Are A Remnant Of The House Of Israel ; And Also The Jews And The Gentitles ...

[Katzpur]

I'm so glad you started this post, OverStanding. We're going to have a lot of fun with it.

Originally Posted by OverStandIng

The Mormons teach that there was a spirit child born which was the devil . And this spirit child elevated to be amongst the deities .

This spirit child was never deity.

A Council meeting was held to decide about the destiny of the devil and his evil advocated .

No it wasn't. A council was called in which God presented His Plan of Salvation to His children.

A plan was presented to go to earth and rebuild and then so send the evil spirit childtren to live and take on mortal bodies and to learn Good and Bad to alter their nature for good .

Wrong again. The "evil spirit children" would have been those who aligned themselves with Lucifer in the war in Heaven (as described in Revelation). None of them were given the opportunity to come to earth at all, but were cast out of Heaven along with Lucifer. The others were born pure and clean, without sin of any kind, although they inherited the propensity to sin from their first parents, Adam and Eve.

The devil put in his bid as savior of earth . There was one deity that stood up against them and said , '' Why Not Give Them Freedom Of Choice As Other Beings '' . The devil convinced many of the spirit children that were destined to go to earth , To revolt .

More or less, but not quite.

Now those who stayed neutral decision , whether to go to revolt with the devil or stay with the other deity , As to give the spirit children freedom of choice , Were Cursed with Black Skin .

False. No one remained neutral. All of us chose to follow either Jesus Christ or Lucifer (aka Satan).

This is one of the ways they say Black People Came About . In their old Teaching they say Blacks were from The Curse Of Canaam . In both cases there's obviously Racism and it is beyond me ,

Honey, lots of things are beyond you.

How any Nubian could belong to this organization The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Days Saints , As they presently call themselves , Which was founded on April 6 , 1830 A.D. By Joseph Fielding Smith .

I'm not aware of any Nubians who are members of the Church, but I suppose that out of the total membership of 13 million or so, there might be a handful of them. Joseph Fielding Smith, by the way, was not the founder of the Church, but its tenth President.

The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints Are Putting Commercials On Television In Order To Deceive People Into Thinking They Are Just An Ordinary Christian Group When They Have Their Own Bible By Their Own Self - Acclaimed Phrophet Joseph Fielding Smith . Who Was Born December 23 , 1805 A.D. In Sharon , Vermont .

We don't claim to be ordinary at all. We're actually quite extraordinary. Regarding the Bible, we use the King James Version. And Joseph Fielding Smith was actually born in 1876. He never even knew Joseph Smith, Jr.

When doing Research on the name Mormon itself . You will find that Mormon is A German word Mormo Meaning '' Bugbear , A Sceptre , A Hobgolin , A Ghoul , A Gargoyle , A Spirit , A Spook , An Ogre .

Thanks for the comic relief, OverStating, but the joke buried within a lengthy thread that is itself a joke, is unlikely to be noticed.

According to The Mormons , Joseph F . Smith was inspired by God , The and Jesus Christ who appeared to him near Palmyra , New York in 1820 A.D.

Joseph F. Smith wasn't alive in 1820. Neither was Joseph Fielding Smith. I realize it's all quite confusing, but you're just going to have to trust me on that. They are three different individuals. They're not a Trinity, though. Just relatives.

They told him not to join any existing Church and to prepare for an important task , Joseph F . Smith also said that an Angel by the name of '' Moroni '' Who was considered the '' Last Nephilian , '' Visited him three years later on September 21 , 1823 A.D. And told him about Golden Plates on which the history of early people of The Western Hemisphere was engraved in an Ancient language , Joseph F . Smith found those plates in 1827 A.D. On a Hill Near Palmyra called Cumorah . Joseph F . Smith was able to translate these plates and he called it The Book Of Mormon Which was published in 1830 A.D.

Well, I've been a Latter-day Saint for 59 years now and I've never yet heard of a Nephilian. Is that similar to a Reptilian?

Why isn't the picture of the Tablets in their book '' The Book Of Mormon '' Instead of a Cuneiform Tablet from Persia ?

Wow! I've got to get a copy of that edition! A cuneiform tablet from Persia, huh? That's way cool!

Why hasn't The Mormons been learning The Ancient language that Joseph F . Smith obviously know in order to translat these Mystical Tablets ?

Joseph F. Smith didn't translate anything and since the Book of Mormon has already been translated, their wouldn't be much need for us to learn Reformed Egyptian.

And why do the Mormons use The King James Version Of The Bible and clearly states in '' The Pillars Of Mormonism '' By Douglas V . Pond on Page 23 And I Quote '' The Book Of Mormon Is Not The Mormon Bible As Is Sometimes Supposed . It Is One Of The Complimetary Works That The Mormons Accept As Scriptures . The Mormons Does Not Believe That The Revelations Of God Were Confused To Ancient Israel . He Does Not Believe That The Loving Father Would Restrict His Communications To One Part Of His Family To One Time Of History Or To One Land .

Well, I wouldn't describe that as an exact quote, OverStanding, but you're right -- we do use the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

This same man then can turn it around and say that This Loving God Does Restrict His Grace . To one Race , Namely The Caucasians .

And I guess "this same man" would once again be either Joseph Fielding Smith or Joseph F. Smith.

I Though We Were All Gods Children ? This Is Simply A Caucasians trying to interpretation to give The Anglo Saxon Protestants A Place In The Heaven Heaven .

We are all God's children, and the Mormon concept of Heaven is probably the most all-inclusive of any Christian denomination. But thank you for recognizing that we believe that Anglo-Saxon Protestants will be there. We'll be fine with that, and also look forward to seeing some Asian Buddhists, some Black Catholics and some Middle-eastern Muslims there.

Why then do they use Greek expressions like Church , Christ , Christian , God , And Steal Names from The Bible such as Jacob and use The word Jew and Abraham and Isaac and many more Biblical names ?

Oh well, you know how it is. Names can mean all kinds of things in different languages. I bet Jacob really means "One Eyed, One Horned Flying Purple People Eater" in Swahili.

Yet they openly admit , As you just read . That they don't accept what the bible says and What Jesus says in Matthew 15 ; 25 And I Quote ; '' But He Answered And Said , I Am Not Sent But Unto The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel , '' ;.... Now look at Matthew 10 ; 5 - 6 And I Quote ; These Twelve Jesus Sent Forth And Commanded Them Saying , Go Not Into The Way Of The Gentiles And Into Any City Of The Samaritian Enter Ye Not . Verse 6 . But Go Rather To The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel . ''

We believe every word the Bible says, OverStanding. In fact, the Bible has been described as "foremost among the Standard Works of the Church."

So he openly admits to the Christian World that he goes against the laws and words and Commandment of Jesus and makes his own story up to try to justify Gentiles being accepted . And they call their book '' The Book Of Mormons , Another Testament Of Jesus Christ '' And in the title page it reads '' The Book Of Mormons an account written by the hand of Mormon upon plates taken from the plates if Nephi '' Beneath that is reads '' ... Wherefore It Is An Abridgment Of The Record Of The People Of Nephi '' And also '' Of The Lamanites - Written To The Lamanites Who Are A Remnant Of The House Of Israel ; And Also The Jews And The Gentitles ...

Well, "He", whichever individual you may be referring to in this particular instance, didn't make up anything that can even begin to compare to what you just made up, but I've got to give you a "A" for effort. That was creative and informative and more amusing than anything I've read in all the time I've been posting on RF. You have an incredible mind, OverStanding! It has been an honor to engage in this debate with you.

(Would somebody with the authority to do so please put this poor soul out of his misery!)

[Francine]

Originally Posted by OverStandIng

This is one of the ways they say Black People Came About . In their old Teaching they say Blacks were from The Curse Of Canaam . In both cases there's obviously Racism and it is beyond me , How any Nubian could belong to this organization The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Days Saints , As they presently call themselves , Which was founded on April 6 , 1830 A.D. By Joseph Fielding Smith .

On the contrary, it is written (2 Nephi 26:33) For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

[Super Universe]

Are the verses posted by OverStanding exactly as written in the Book of Mormon?

I'm particularly curious about any verse attempting to explain skin color.

[OverStandIng]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I'm so glad you started this post, OverStanding. We're going to have a lot of fun with it.

This spirit child was never a deity.

No it wasn't. A council was called in which God presented His Plan of Salvation to His children.

Wrong again. The "evil spirit children" would have been those who aligned themselves with Lucifer in the war in Heaven (as described in Revelation). None of them were given the opportunity to come to earth at all, but were cast out of Heaven along with Lucifer. The others were born pure and clean, without sin of any kind, although they inherited the propensity to sin from their first parents, Adam and Eve.

More or less, but not quite.

False. No one remained neutral. All of us chose to follow either Jesus Christ or Lucifer (aka Satan).

Honey, lots of things are beyond you.

I'm not aware of any Nubians who are members of the Church, but I suppose that out of the total membership of 13 million or so, there might be a handful of them. Joseph Fielding Smith, by the way, was not the founder of the Church, but its tenth President.

We don't claim to be ordinary at all. We're actually quite extraordinary. Regarding the Bible, we use the King James Version. And Joseph Fielding Smith was actually born in 1876. He never even knew Joseph Smith, Jr.

Thanks for the comic relief, OverStating, but I can assure you that it really wasn't necessary.

Joseph F. Smith wasn't alive in 1820. Neither was Joseph Fielding Smith. I realize it's all quite confusing, but you're just going to have to trust me on that. They are three different individuals. They're not a Trinity, though. Just relatives.

Well, I've been a Latter-day Saint for 59 years now and I've never yet heard of a Nephilian. Is that similar to a Reptilian?

Wow! I've got to get a copy of that edition! A cuneiform tablet from Persia, huh? That's way cool!

Joseph F. Smith didn't translate anything and since the Book of Mormon has already been translated, their wouldn't be much need for us to learn Reformed Egyptian.

Well, I wouldn't describe that as an exact quote, OverStanding, but you're right -- we do use the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

And I guess "this same man" would once again be either Joseph Fielding Smith or Joseph F. Smith.

We are all God's children, and the Mormon concept of Heaven is probably the most all-inclusive of any Christian denomination. But thank you for recognizing that we believe that Anglo-Saxon Protestants will be there. We'll be fine with that, and also look forward to seeing some Asian Buddhists, some Black Catholics and some Middle-eastern Muslims there.

Oh well, you know how it is. Names can mean all kinds of things in different languages. I bet Jacob really means "One Eyed, One Horned Flying Purple People Eater" in Swahili.

We believe every word the Bible says, OverStanding. In fact, the Bible has been described as "foremost among the Standard Works of the Church."

Well, "He", whoever he might have been didn't make up anything that can even begin to compare to what you just made up, but I've got to give you a "A" for effort. That was creative and informative and more amusing than anything I've read in all the time I've been posting on RF. You have an incredible mind, OverStanding! It has been an honor to engage in this debate with you.

(Would somebody with the authority to do so please put this poor soul out of her misery!)

Funny you never back up what you say with scriptures wonder why . Could be your trying to play both side of the mormon scriptures / christian bible LOLOLOLOL

[OverStandIng]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Are the verses posted by OverStanding exactly as written in the Book of Mormon?

I'm particularly curious about any verse attempting to explain skin color.

CHECK OUT ON LINE MORMON SOCALL BIBLE Better yet buy one . Don't believe me check it out for yourself ok .. You can't believe their going tell you the truth do you .

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by OverStandIng

Funny you never back up what you say with scriptures wonder why . Could be your trying to play both side of the mormon scriptures / christian bible LOLOLOLOL

OverStanding, I'm but I'm just feeling too guilty to keep this up. It was all too easy. I felt like taking candy from a baby. Maybe somebody else will step in for me.

[Scott C.]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Oh well, you know how it is. Names can mean all kinds of things in different languages. I bet Jacob really means "One Eyed, One Horned Flying Purple People Eater" in Swahili.

My son Jacob, 12, got a kick out of that. Thanks, Katzpur, for making me laugh at one of the weirdest things I've ever read about what I am reported to believe.

[OverStandIng]

Originally Posted by Francine

On the contrary, it is written (2 Nephi 26:33) For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

LOLOLOLOLOL I told you beware of what you ask for . Didn't I