The God Delusion (Darwin, Messiah, choice, evolution, atheist)

[frg001]

Originally Posted by stephenw

Intentionally or not you are neither understanding me nor answering me.

on which point?

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by frg001

Do you really want an arguement about semantics?

Yes! But that's beside the point.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Yes! But that's beside the point.

I think you must have a secret crush on me to keep this going Patty. I misunderstood, I admitted as much, and I answered the question... What exactly do you want me to say?

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by frg001

I think you must have a secret crush on me to keep this going Patty. I misunderstood, I admitted as much, and I answered the question... What exactly do you want me to say?

Well, the person you were having a discussion with has left, so I'm all you have.

Science cannot address issues like "why is there existence" because science is dependent upon existence for results.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Well, the person you were having a discussion with has left, so I'm all you have.

Science cannot address issues like "why is there existence" because science is dependent upon existence for results.

Our human english sentence "why is their existance" may be too simple. I don't know, but I believe everything is explainable.

It's like when we think of an ant colony, they have no concept of anything outside the scope of the area they live. They have no means of travel, or investigation or indeed probably inclination.
A chimpanzee certainly wonders about things. They are highly intelligent for non-humans. But again, they have not the ability to do more than use basic tools.
Humans have the intelligence and capabilty to look at the stars, to come up with breathtaking theories, which are sometimes proved to be true, sometimes proved to be wrong, and sometimes, just a best current fit. Quantum physics is an amazing example of an incomplete science, but it works, the numbers fit. But we don't really understand it fully.

And to me, my belief, is that everything is explainable, but not necessarily by humans.

Just to add, my current belief is that at the beginning there was utterly nothing. Impossible really to comprehend, but there you go. From there came the singularity, and the big bang.
(And when I say belief, I mean my current best bet)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by frg001

... my belief, is that everything is explainable, but not necessarily by humans.

Not all beliefs are created equal.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Jay

Not all beliefs are created equal.

And not all elders command respect.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by frg001

And to me, my belief, is that everything is explainable, but not necessarily by humans.

That is a statement of faith.

Originally Posted by frg001

Just to add, my current belief is that at the beginning there was utterly nothing. Impossible really to comprehend, but there you go. From there came the singularity, and the big bang.
(And when I say belief, I mean my current best bet)

If something is impossible for us to comprehend, can there ever possibly be an explanation for it as far as we're concerned?

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Willamena

That is a statement of faith.

I'm not sure it is, it's a current thought of mine, but I wouldn't teach it as fact.

If something is impossible for us to comprehend, can there ever possibly be an explanation for it as far as we're concerned?

Not currently. But could we have explained the motorcar to a stone-age man?
We are just a tiny blip in the life of the earth, never mind the universe. Maybe man will die out within the next 100/1000/10000 etc years, or maybe we will continue to evolve both physically and mentally, and continue to find answers.