The God Delusion (Darwin, Messiah, choice, evolution, atheist)

[frg001]

Originally Posted by rojse

Perhaps we will have to formulate a new language to explain new concepts that we cannot currently explain.

Otherwise, we can add words to the English language, which seems to have worked so far, no matter how highly, or lowly, we regard the English language.

This is exactly what we do when we start to 'understand' something. I'm sure the words neutrino or quark doesn't appear in the Bible or Koran...

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by frg001

You said "the earth", not the universe.

He said "the world," but if the world for you ends at the boundaries of the earth, then there you go.

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by frg001

You said "the earth", not the universe.


Quite rightly so, science deals with the fabric of reality


I don't think feeble human minds can grasp the reality just yet. The difference is, I'm happy with their being a huge vastness of UNKNOWN, without the need to call in a 'creator'


You need to read the book. I haven't the time or inclination to discect it for you, sorry.



One is based on evidence, and probability. The other based on human fears, and needs for an answer to the 'currently' unanswerable.

Intentionally or not you are neither understanding me nor answering me.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Willamena

He said "the world," but if the world for you ends at the boundaries of the earth, then there you go.

ok picking nits. Yes - when he said 'world', I assumed he meant in it's most common usage (as in the Earth, the globe). My mistake.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by frg001

ok picking nits. Yes - when he said 'world', I assumed he meant in it's most common usage (as in the Earth, the globe). My mistake.

But that's the context that makes least sense in terms of the conversation you were having, which involves Hawkins, the "fabric of the universe" and reality.

[jrod2828]

What exactly do Atheists believe in? What is the spark that created things?.. a molecule? What made the molecule? My thought on God is based on statistics. The odds that everything came together just perfect to create a race of creatures that can sit here and respond to each other using the internet.. the odds are outstanding. It's like hitting the lottery a million times in a row. It's too much of coincidence to be one. I don't get the root of Atheists beliefs.

[Quath]

Originally Posted by jrod2828

What exactly do Atheists believe in? What is the spark that created things?.. a molecule? What made the molecule? My thought on God is based on statistics. The odds that everything came together just perfect to create a race of creatures that can sit here and respond to each other using the internet.. the odds are outstanding. It's like hitting the lottery a million times in a row. It's too much of coincidence to be one. I don't get the root of Atheists beliefs.

Look at snowflake under the microscope. They are so varied and different and beautiful and complex. But they were all made with the same simple law of freezing. If you didn't know any better, you would have assumed that sky pixies had carved them out of sleet.

Atheists have a similar view of the world. A lot of things that look complex can be based on simple rules like natural selection and evolution.

To an atheist, God seems like a more complex solution. If the world looks so perfect and put together that it requires a more intelligent and complex designer, then it would stand to reason that God would be designed as well by the same logic.

Or even if God did exist, why this God? Why not a God who wanted to make nothing? Or one who wanted to make the universe, but no life? Or why not two gods? Or an infinite number of Gods?

To an atheist, the concept of God appears to be guesses about reality without convincing proof to back it up. Manyu atheists have been in religions and rejected them. A common saying is that you are like an atheist in that you reject millions of other religions. An atheist just rejects one more religion than you do.

[jrod2828]

But you can't believe in nothing. There has to be something. Something started life. That something isn't a molecule or atom. It could be that our minds can't comprehend that something. It could be that you and I are like the african tribes that thought thunder was the voice of the gods. We now know exactly what thunder is but 5,000 years ago people didn't have the intelligence to comprehend what thunder is. Maybe you and I are trying to quantify a god in terms of our intelligence but perhaps that intelligence isn't even close to being able to understand who god is.

All I know is this. We are alive. We are not dead. Evolution points towards the fact that life is good. Things evolve so that their offsprings can live and breed. Things don't evolve towards death. They evolve towards life. So I can induce that life is good. A God would create something good. So God wants life and created life. After that, it's a crap shoot. But to believe in absolutely nothing. I think you are giving yourself too much credit. Perhaps God is from a world where our physics and logic don't exist. Don't denounce your creator before you know all the facts. And trust me, you don't have all the facts and I don't and no one does. And no one ever will. Just trust that this great thing we have called life was given to us by someone else, a GOD.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Willamena

But that's the context that makes least sense in terms of the conversation you were having, which involves Hawkins, the "fabric of the universe" and reality.

Do you really want an arguement about semantics?