Maitreya explains what the 1000 years means (ritual, Earth, Messiah, salvation)

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by drew22

Yes, the final knowledge, thank you, that would be my department.

As I have said The Greatest Sign is God's message now complete. This is based on scripture:


Revelation, the Bible,

"20: The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

This is why The Greatest Sign has the seven religions, they are steps on the Eternal Divine Path. The final knowledge will come from the Seventh Angel, when the Book of the Seven Seals is opened. It is also a prophecy fulfilled in the Bahai Faith.

"7: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. "

The seven stars and angels are the seven churches founded by St. Paul, it even says so there in the text you quoted.

[Popeyesays]

Baha'is are taught that there never will be a "final" revelation or knowledge. And yes, Halcyon is right the Seven Angels and Seals of Revelation refer to the churches of the time.

I find the Maitreya stuff to be a total mishmash of almost comic proportion.

Regards,
Scott

[drew22]

It does not mean anything if you think Maitreya's teachings are laughable, you are merely one person, Scott, and if you speculate that others will feel the same as you, also, it means nothing. You cannot give truth to anyone, they have to find it themselves.

What you say about the churches in Revelation is what is commonly said about them, i.e., that they are actual churches. It is too bad for you then becuase Maitreya is trying to tell us what the seven churches mean. Just as all the prophets have done in the past, Maitreya is gleaning the truth out of the holy scriptures. Some parts of the bible he talks about, other parts, no.
Here is part of a talk given by Maitreya on this subject:



" And, third, we do not accept anything but the word of the Prophet, or the Messiah, as the truth from God. So, therefore, the only parts of the New Testament that we really concentrate on are the red parts that were taught directly from Christ himself. Anything else after that is written by either the disciples or people who claimed to be disciples, but taught differently than Christ himself.
So, if you want to quote something, let us just go right to the New Testament, the four gospels, and quote from them. Anything from John, Paul, Romans and all of that, forget it.

I am not saying that they do not have any truth. They have some truth in them. They have a lot of beautiful things in them, but there is a lot in them that is not true and was never taught by Christ.
So let us put some ground rules here to know exactly where we are each coming from. Let us see what Christ said about all these things, and let us concentrate on that. But, the interpretation of the trumpet is the Revelation by the Prophets, and there should have come seven trumpets, Seven Revelations, seven religions, and Seven Seals. And, the Mystery of God is not finished until the Seventh Revelation comes."

[drew22]

Scott: Baha'is are taught that there never will be a "final" revelation or knowledge. And yes, Halcyon is right the Seven Angels and Seals of Revelation refer to the churches of the time.

[drew22]

Scott: Baha'is are taught that there never will be a "final" revelation or knowledge. And yes, Halcyon is right the Seven Angels and Seals of Revelation refer to the churches of the time.


Can you back that up with a quote?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by drew22

Scott: Baha'is are taught that there never will be a "final" revelation or knowledge. And yes, Halcyon is right the Seven Angels and Seals of Revelation refer to the churches of the time.


Can you back that up with a quote?

No problem at all:

PP.23-34 of Gleanings:
"Such is the measure of the understanding of these small-minded, contemptible people. These people have imagined that the flow of God's all-encompassing grace and plenteous mercies, the cessation of which no mind can contemplate, has been halted."

pp. 81-82:
"Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared. As to thy question regarding the sayings of the leaders of past religions. Every wise and praiseworthy man will no doubt eschew such vain and profitless talk. The incomparable Creator hath created all men from one same substance, and hath exalted their reality above the rest of His creatures. Success or failure, gain or loss, must, therefore, depend upon man's own exertions."

pp. 155-156:
"Wert thou to ponder in thine heart, from now until the end that hath no end, and with all the concentrated intelligence and understanding which the greatest minds have attained in the past or will attain in the future, this divinely ordained and subtle Reality, this sign of the revelation of the All-Abiding, All-Glorious God, thou wilt fail to comprehend its mystery or to appraise its virtue. "

Abdu'l Baha Foundations of World Unity, pp. 63:
"Religion is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive. If it be without motion and non-progressive it is without the divine life; it is dead. The divine institutes are continuously active and evolutionary; therefore the revelation of them must be progressive and continuous. All things are subject to re-formation. "

Shoghi Effendi, The Promised Daqy is Come, p. v:
"
...His mission is to proclaim that the ages of the infancy and of the childhood of the human race are past, that the convulsions associated with the present stage of its adolescence are slowly and painfully preparing it to attain the stage of manhood, and are heralding the approach of that Age of Ages when swords will be beaten into plowshares, when the Kingdom promised by Jesus Christ will have been established, and the peace of the planet definitely and permanently ensured. Nor does Bahá'u'lláh claim finality for His own Revelation, but rather stipulates that a fuller measure of the truth He has been commissioned by the Almighty to vouchsafe to humanity, at so critical a juncture in its fortunes, must needs be disclosed at future stages in the constant and limitless evolution of mankind. "

Shoghi Effrendi, World Order of Baha`u'llah, pp 114-115:
"
In the light of these clear and conclusive statements it is our clear duty to make it indubitably evident to every seeker after truth that from "the beginning that hath no beginning" the Prophets of the one, the unknowable God, including Bahá'u'lláh Himself, have all, as the channels of God's grace, as the exponents of His unity, as the mirrors of His light and the revealers of His purpose, been commissioned to unfold to mankind an ever-increasing measure of His truth, of His inscrutable will and Divine guidance, and will continue to "the end that hath no end" to vouchsafe still fuller and mightier revelations of His limitless power and glory. "

Regards,
Scott

[Bishadi]

Bishadi, there is no magical stuff here like raising the dead. It is not nessasary because of the belief in renincarnation. The raising of the dead and stuff like, usally raising to the same body, is what Jews, Christians, Moslems believe as the Day of Judgement. At the Mission of Maitreya all the religions are together so the raising of the dead means reincarnation.

Both are metaphors. Raising dead folk or spiritually waking up as a dog or tree.

If you truly had the right knowledge in use, you would have recognized that immediately.

First thing Bashadi, this is not the Maitreya of Benjimin Creme. Maitreya, The Eternal Divine Path is based in

New Mexico, USA.

Maitreya was not trying to, "fill someone's shoes", by starting his mission. Maitreya was just inspired to create The Greatest Sign, the madallion above. He did not even know the purpose of the madallion until later.

Bahahulla just like Benjamin are contributors of knowledge that have/had not only claimed to be Maitreya but also have folk willing to witness the same but from neither is life comprehended to where it is universally accepted bringing peace of mind to the children and the foundation to global peace.

There are prophecies that indicate that a prophet will come from the west.

OK

Maitreya was born in

Iran, which also fills a prophecy, and came to the USA where he met his wife.

These are not prophecies of important because a large percentage of the population could meet them line items.

If you look at the Greatest Sign you see that all the religions are united, if not only by a line connecting them all.

OK….. ‘all religions are written by words created by mankind’ I just did the same thing; connected all religions by a single line item truth.

Maitreya has had a DNA test done to find his blood linage. The results can be found at this website

And if we had adam and eve dna we could all say, we are of the blood line of the first child of god, brother, sisters; family.

Bishadi;

"So even if Benjamin Creme has also tried to fill the shoes, fact is the revealing or final knowledge to combine all mankind, is still left open..."

What FINAL knowledge?

The knowledge that chares: What life is: What existence is. The form that combines the sciences with the religions; the comprehension of the trinity; mass, energy and time.

Which unequivocally shares that light (em upon mass) is energy; which shares that ‘light is the ‘life’ upon mass; which share the rule of evolution. Good associations within an environment continue longer in life. Meaning if a life was like a wave on a pond, when 2 waves interact if the association is good, they combine, rise and continue longer.

Drew22 ...........Yes, the final knowledge, thank you, that would be my department.

As I have said The Greatest Sign is God's message now complete. This is based on scripture:


Revelation, the Bible,

Ok, so you are going to witness the ‘final knowledge’ and then return back to an old book, that has created more evangelist than any single book ever written?

What appears true is that the prophecies that makes sense to you, as you have learned, are not as important to the ones that have a universal purpose; offering our future, then children, the one single set of knowledge that is universal to all mankind; the truth of life.

SO let’s reincarnate;

If I said ‘the earth is square’ and you were to share that with another, then I now have been reincarnated in the conveyance of that knowledge.

If I teach a child how to tie his shoes, then each morning as he ties them shoes, I live within that contribution.

If I plant a tree, then that whole universe of bees, bird and life wrapped around that tree all based on my choice to contribute my energy (to impose to existence) for that life is my continuance or reincarnation to existence.

Let’s raise some fathers to the flesh;
Since each life must combine with another in order to make a child, then within each child is living portion of each parent (dna structure). So to recognize that every molecule is held together by energy (light), then in a pure literal sense, within each person is a living portion of every father/mother all the way back to the beginning of time, alive and in each one of us as we stand. Hence: honor thy mother and thy father.

Represent them by following another pure rule; thou shall not lie.

The reason is simple; if to contribute to life is good, then to take away is bad and it is only of the experience of choice can the bad even exists as nothing else, can take or impose to existence an atrocity for the purpose of ‘self.’

So the pure rules do exist for man to comprehend, good: supports life
Bad: loss to the common.

Then a last couple questions I must ask: does knowledge allow comprehension to life?
Can a person be born, alive within nature, and be capable of comprehending good and bad, as well understand how each choice is what determines their ever lasting life?

That is what the final knowledge brings mankind!

[drew22]

That's good Scott, but what about the part in Revelation where it says the, "mystery of God should be finished", when the Seventh Angel is here.This does not mean that God is understandable or anything like that, it means that the final revelation is here, you can understand more by reading THOTH. Bahaullah did not answer that about the Seventh Angel, and the reason for that is because Bahaullah is not the Seventh Angel and, again, according to scripture, no one can open the Book of the Seven Seals except the Seventh Angel. That is why John cried out in that part of Revelation because no one is worthy to open the Book of the Seven Seals. From the beautiful writings of Bahaullah could you please provide some quotes on this topic?

[drew22]

Bishadi, "Both are metaphors. Raising dead folk or spiritually waking up as a dog or tree.

If you truly had the right knowledge in use, you would have recognized that immediately.

I guess I don't, because I still don't understand.



"Bahahulla just like Benjamin are contributors of knowledge that have/had not only claimed to be Maitreya but also have folk willing to witness the same but from neither is life comprehended to where it is universally accepted bringing peace of mind to the children and the foundation to global peace"


There are other Maitreya's as well, "many will come in his name". That is a prophecy fulfilled by the way.
Maitreya does not have to be popular right now, the world is hardly ready for his message.

"These are not prophecies of important because a large percentage of the population could meet them line items."

You must be wrong! what prophcy is not important. The prophecy I was talking about was a Buddha prophecy. I will get it off the website and share it with you some day.


"OK….. ‘all religions are written by words created by mankind’ I just did the same thing; connected all religions by a single line item truth. "

Some people look at the Greatest Sign and see nothing but a bunch of symbols. I pointed out the actual line that connects the diagram together to point out the very basic fact: This geometric and symbolic drawing does connect all religions. That is a starting point; you can at least say that it does that.
The Greatest Sign is a spiritual path. To begin you start at the bottom, at the Iching symbol and proceed from there. There are seven steps.

"And if we had adam and eve dna we could all say, we are of the blood line of the first child of god, brother, sisters; family. "

No, people come from different blood lines. That would be the whole point as this messiah is suppost to come from the blood line of Abraham, as fortold in scripture.

"The knowledge that chares: What life is: What existence is. The form that combines the sciences with the religions; the comprehension of the trinity; mass, energy and time.

Which unequivocally shares that light (em upon mass) is energy; which shares that ‘light is the ‘life’ upon mass; which share the rule of evolution. Good associations within an environment continue longer in life. Meaning if a life was like a wave on a pond, when 2 waves interact if the association is good, they combine, rise and continue longer."


The final message of God is what I am talking about. I am not talking about the unknowable God. God is beyond us, and when we reach heaven we become One with God. The final message of God is the Eternal Divine Path. That is all we have to know, that is how peace will occur, that is how we are to survive as humans on this planet.

"Ok, so you are going to witness the ‘final knowledge’ and then return back to an old book, that has created more evangelist than any single book ever written? "

As you read The Revelation in the bible you will notice near the end of the book the Seventh Angel plays a role. Maitreya is that Seventh Angel. Ok, so Maitreya is giving us an interpretation of what The Revelation means, saying that the Eterenal Divine Path can be seen there in Revelation, in the bible.
No, the teachings of the bible are not what is being taught here, what is being taught are the teachings of Maitreya. Maitreya's teachings are really different from an evangelist teachings.



"If I teach a child how to tie his shoes, then each morning as he ties them shoes, I live within that contribution."

No, you are on an ego trip, thinking that you helped the child learn how to tie shoes, really it was God who did that.

"If I plant a tree, then that whole universe of bees, bird and life wrapped around that tree all based on my choice to contribute my energy (to impose to existence) for that life is my continuance or reincarnation to existence."


God did that too!


"Then a last couple questions I must ask: does knowledge allow comprehension to life?"

Of course it does. God is a big subject, however, knowlegde plays a very small part in this, or actually, intellect plays a small part here.
You remember the verse, "all you need is as much faith a mustard seed"? It is really about faith. You can use fancy talk, whatever you like, but no one give you faith, you have to find it. That is why this verse was said: "knock and it shall be opened unto you".

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by drew22

That's good Scott, but what about the part in Revelation where it says the, "mystery of God should be finished", when the Seventh Angel is here.This does not mean that God is understandable or anything like that, it means that the final revelation is here, you can understand more by reading THOTH. Bahaullah did not answer that about the Seventh Angel, and the reason for that is because Bahaullah is not the Seventh Angel and, again, according to scripture, no one can open the Book of the Seven Seals except the Seventh Angel. That is why John cried out in that part of Revelation because no one is worthy to open the Book of the Seven Seals. From the beautiful writings of Bahaullah could you please provide some quotes on this topic?

Revelations indeed finished the Christian Revelation. It has a little to do with Islam and less to do with Baha`i Revelation.

Regards,
Scott