Maitreya explains what the 1000 years means (ritual, Earth, beliefs, mission)

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by drew22

I don't know why you go on about the succession set up of Bahaullah, it is not as important as you think, you said it yourself, Abdul-baha is not a prophet. Abdul-baha and Shogii Effendi writings are not suppost to be read at Bahai Feasts, only Bab and Bahaullah are read at feasts. If this has changed since I was a Bahai, then you must be hooked on some Bahai dogma of some sort. Yes, put those writings of Abdul-baha against me, it doesn't give me an answer from the prophet, which is ok if you are a bahai, lets just stick to scripture. The figures who succeeded Bahaullah are in fact, even in, 'a real', bahai world not considered scripture. Don't be concerned, I say.


God said it: "Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him."


I never said anything against the above quote, you only think that I did. Maitreya never said anything contrary to the 1000 year prophecy, you only think he did(you thought you read it somewhere in THOTH, where did you read that Maitreya said that ). The whole thing is explained in Revelation though Maitreya.



Scott you have waited many years to tell me outright that Maitreya is going to be punished by God. That is the part you redded out in you quote.

Actually, it is you who is going to be punished by God, it may happen in this life or your next life. It can't be known for sure. The reason for this is the same reason Bahaullah had.

I'm surpriswed that as a former Baha`i you are under the misconception that it is not appropriate to read Abdu'l Baha at Feast. You're wrong:
"Regarding the question you asked him about the Bahá'í sacred writings: these should be regarded as the writings of the Báb, Bahá'u'lláh and `Abdu'l-Bahá and only these should be read during the purely devotional part of the Feast . "Letters from the Guardian to Australia and New Zealand, by Shoghi Effendi, p. 71:

As to worrying about my debt to God whne I pass away, I will be secure in the fact that I did not give away anything by refusing to recognize this particular Maitreya. Would Abdu'l Baha approve of some judging the contents of another person's soul? I won't do that, I do not have the authority.

I never really like the taste of tripe, so I'm not going to dine on it.

Regards,
Scott

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by drew22

Actually, it is you who is going to be punished by God, it may happen in this life or your next life. It can't be known for sure. The reason for this is the same reason Bahaullah had.

Actually, Drew22, I rather like Scott, although we do have our differences. If I were Scott, I wouldn't be especially worried about his appointment in the hereafter, he will do just fine. Maitreya, otoh, is going to have a bit of explaining to do, but even he shouldn't be too worried, because ignorance is always forgiveable.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by drew22

It is real.
Go to the website and read and you will see that Maitreya is explaining what the 1000 years means. I donnot understand what you are saying, "in my dreams". I wake up and will go to the computer and there it is: Maitreya explaining the 1000 years.

Scott, you are not allow to explain the 1000 years, Bahai policy, UHJ. You will be kick-out at the snap of your fingers. Go ahead, try it. No, no, I mean the 1000 years mentioned a coulple of times the The Revelation, in the Bible(that`s right, please do that, read the bilbe). Do you want The Revelation to remain a mystery to the Bahai forever and ever, I mean there must be some meaning to The Revelation, do you have any ideas Scott?

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Irrelevant and utterly subjective.

In your dreams as Scott says.

[Popeyesays]

Baha`u'llah's words do not condemn the misguided followers, the guilt is in the claim and the claim is made by Maitreyah in this instance.

Regards,
Scott

[drew22]

I only said what I said because Scott has highlighted that Maitreya will be punished by God, otherwise I have no idea what God is going to do with any of us.


Your ways of talking are old fashion, all of you, Ymir, Scott, Tau. The whole truth is with Maitreya, i.e., "the mystery of God should be finished with the Seventh Angel.
Your life in the hearafter? God has made it clear that reincarnation is true, so you are only coming back to this world. Heaven, Nirvana, Abah Kingdom, ect., is where you have reached God, you only come back to help people there, 'the Heaven', or if God has a message to give humanity the prophets come from there, and, 'there', is also known as Pure Consciousness.
All the messages have been given to humanity now, and the reason for that is to show us how to create the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, so that many other may reach Pure Consciousness. How this is done is to create the Communities of Light.

The reason your words sound old fashion to me is that none of you incorporate all the religious teachings that God has given us, as is done in the Greatest Sign. 'someone', has told you reincarnation is not true, God surly did not. You cann't just say reincarnation is untrue, it doesnt work that way, far too many already believe in it.

Ymir, what about the people who have never heard about Jesus, do they enter the, "lake of fire"? Or is the, "lake of fire", merely this troubled world and how we understand it?

Scott, when do you figure, Entry By Troops, will be happening? The growth of the Bahai Faith, as documented on the internet, is only increasing because of birth rates in India.

[Popeyesays]

Define "troops". Are you still getting American Baha`i? Even though you're resigned from the faith?

We just had a ten day teaching effort here in the Oklahoma City area netted more than one declaration a day. Growth in India has averaged a 100,000 a year for more than a decade, so I guess it's beating the Baha`i birth rate.

I assume you're familiar with Abdu'l Baha's teachings about reincarnation:

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But you have asked for arguments of the impossibility of reincarnation. This is what we must now explain. The first argument for its impossibility is that the outward is the expression of the inward; the earth is the mirror of the Kingdom; the material world corresponds to the spiritual world. Now observe that in the sensible world appearances are not repeated, for no being in any respect is identical with, nor the same as, another being. The sign of singleness is visible and apparent in all things. If all the granaries of the world were full of grain, you would not find two grains absolutely alike, the same and identical without any distinction. It is certain that there will be differences and distinctions between them. As the proof of uniqueness exists in all things, and the Oneness and Unity of God is apparent in the reality of all things, the repetition of the same appearance is absolutely impossible. Therefore, reincarnation, which is the repeated appearance of the same spirit with its former essence and condition in this same world of appearance, is impossible and unrealizable. As the repetition of the same appearance is impossible and interdicted for each of the material beings, so for spiritual beings also, a return to the same condition, whether in the arc of descent or in the arc of ascent, is interdicted and impossible, for the material corresponds to the spiritual. "

Some Answered Questions, Pages 281-289

Regards,
Scott

[drew22]

Yes, I know the writing of Abdul-baha and have studied it often, however, Maitreya has a different station than Abdul-baha. Maitreya is a prophet, the Seventh Angel, so you will find a much clearer answer as to what is reincarnation and its existance.


In the book THOTH, here is explained about reincarnation:


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REINCARNATION

<1>If we say that Islam does not believe in reincarnation, then we are saying that God cannot reincarnate. That is directly opposed to the Koran's teaching of "Allah verily is Able to do all things." <2>Also, reincarnation is the way to believe in the justness of God. If all men have only one lifetime and a man was born in an environment where he never had a chance to progress and/or be told of the realities of the Scriptures and God, then God cannot judge him. But if he is reincarnated again and again, and warned and tested but he refuses to be guided, then it is justified for him to be drowned into illusion (be punished).
<3>Some people argue that, "If I have been in this world before, why do I not remember my past lives?" The answer is that it is the Soul which will be reincarnated, and the Soul does not have memory. Soul just IS. It receives the experiences of each lifetime. It is the unit consciousness which, by linking to the astral body and brain, has memory and receives its information and memories by using the storage rooms of the brain in each lifetime.
<4>However, all things will also be stored in the Universal Mind (Akashic Records) which humans can have access to only when in very high consciousness. <5>Those who change the Scriptures and destroy some revelations revealed by God, therefore, are doing it in vain, because some Prophet will come later on and bring the truth back to humanity by using the Universal Mind.
<6>That is why we do not remember our past lifetimes, but if we start meditating and analyzing ourselves, we will have experiences which will assure us we have been here before. Because the Soul had been impressed by the experiences in past lifetimes, it would react in such a way in different situations that we would, by realizing the self deeper, know that it had had some experiences before that causes it to now know how to act in this lifetime. <7>Also the memory of the past can be obtained from the Akashic Records (by His Grace).

Surah The Cow (Al-Baqarah)
The ability of God to kill or to give life (reincarnation):

And remember when you said: O Moses, We will not believe you until we see God face-to-face; and a lightning overtook you; you were witness thereof.
Then after you were downfallen, We revived you, that you might be grateful. (55-56)

<8>God has the power to bring to life whomever He wants, anytime He wants. Also, He can cause extinction to anyone at anytime He wants.

Surah The Family of Imran (Ali 'Imran)

...You bring the living from the dead, and bring the dead from the living... (27)

<9>God is able to bring forth the living from the dead. Allah in the Koran is an able God. He can do whatever He wishes to do. <10>So if He is an able God and can bring the dead from the living and the living from the dead, then He is also able to reincarnate. Because if we say He cannot reincarnate, then we are saying that He is not an able God as Prophet Muhammad taught.

...and I raise the dead, by God's permission... (49)

<11>It is God who will decide to raise or cause to die. It is God who can reincarnate or not reincarnate. It is God who can send the same person again and again to this earth, or decide not to. It is God who can send some people sometime or other people another time. Or it is God who does not send at all. So again, if we say, "God cannot reincarnate" then we are saying He is not an able God. We are saying what He can do or what He cannot do. He can do whatever He wants to do.

Surah Cattle (Al-An'am)

Surely it is God who sprouts the grain of corn and the datestone. Verily it is He who brings forth the living from the dead and brings forth the dead from the living. Such is God... (96)

<12>He created this universe and is the knower of the Laws of this universe. He can bring the dead from the living and the living from the dead. He can do whatever He wants to do, so He can reincarnate too. If He can bring you once to existence, then He can bring you to this world again.
<13>The problem is that many think they are their bodies. <14>We are not our bodies but are our Souls (consciousnesses). The body might change, but the consciousness does not."

[drew22]

And to further help those who were wondering about reincarnation I continue the paste from the book THOTH:



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Surah The Heights (Al-A'raf)

There shall you live, and there you shall die, and from there you will be brought forth. (25)

<15>He said these things to Adam and Eve. So they will live on earth, they will die, and again they will be brought forth from the dead. The Lord God can bring into life whomever He wants. He can reincarnate.

Surah Jonah (Yunus)
Reincarnation to the gross world in order to progress and learn the lessons of life:

If God would have passed a judgment on humanity for the consequence of their evil actions as quickly as they desire to acquire good, the period of their lives would already have expired. But We allow those who do not believe in meeting with Us to wander in their transgressions blindly [stay in ignorance] so that they might progress. (12)

<16>So they (humans) will be left to live in the material world and would be reincarnated again and again until truly judged, and then a decision would be made about them, "But we shall allow those who do not believe in meeting with Us to wander in their transgressions blindly."

Surah The Romans (Ar-Rum)

Observe, therefore, the signs of God's mercy (everywhere), how He quickens the earth after its death! He is the One who gives life to the dead, for He is Able to do all things. (50)

<17>So He can quicken the Soul also, and reincarnate it again to a new life. "He is able to do all things."

Surah The Wind-Curved Sand-hills (Al-Ahqaf)

Have not they realized that God, who has created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied thereafter [so God did not rest on the seventh day from exhaustion but He became a witness entity of His self-sustaining universe] has the ability to give life to the dead also? He is able to do all things. (33)

Surah Iron (Al-Hadid)
Reincarnation: the ability of God to "quicken" (or to bring the spirit to higher consciousness or rebirth) and to kill (or to take to further ignorance, or death). He is able to do all things:

God has sovereignty over the heavens and the earth; He is the giver of the life and causes death; and is able to do all things. (2)

Surah Noah (Nuh)

And He then made you to return thereto, and will bring you back again, anew. (18)

Surah "He Frowned" ('Abasa)
God can bring men to life "when He wills:"

...God created man and set a measure for him (to follow);
Then He eased the way for him,
And then caused him to die and be buried,
Then He brings him to life when He wills.
No, man has not yet fulfilled what He had commanded him. (19-23)

<18>God can reincarnate and bring man back to life even before resurrection -- spiritual or physical, which is the same as reincarnation, because we know the body (cells) do not stay the same in a life period, so it is the Soul that assumes a new body -- as He did in the case of Elijah (John the Baptist). John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah (Elias)
<19>Also He "set a measure for him (to follow)," but man failed and has not become what God wanted him to be. It is only through many lifetimes and reincarnations that he will eventually reach