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" Your personal revelation is for you, not for anyone else"

This sounds like Morpheus from "THE MATRIX".
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By who?
By the Holy Ghost, which is the spirit of God.

I've never had such a strong revelation before or since.

It came so loudly and clearly into my mind that it woke me up at 3 am and I heard the words, "It's the comforter".

I was living in Yokohama, Japan as an LDS missionary and I was thinking I was converting people to the gospel of Jesus Christ, God made it clear to me that I had nothing to do with it, I was only an instrument in which God was using to get his message out, and that was all I needed to do, the Comforter/Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit did the rest.

John 14: 16, 26
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
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26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

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By who?

As for that chapter, it doesn't seem to me that he's talking about one specific person being the true return (Thats if you wish to see it as a return). But I do think he's talking about looking out for people who claim to be the ultimate truth for some reason other than living it, either for personal gain or for power or whatever.

"26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

That to me speaks more about something else. I see that as saying "he" (whoever "he" is) is not one specific person, that you cannot say that it is only he in the desert or he "in the secret chambers". I see that as saying it isn't only him or him, it is everyone. We are all a part of the ultimate truth. It is WITHIN that we will find "him" - not WITHOUT.
Yes. I prefer to read most every passage as a "deeper secret message" that applies to each person of every generation throughout all of history. (for those with understanding). there may be other meanings too? macrocosims?
But the microcosmic messages are the ones that draw me in... for they address the mystical inner truths... relevant to each and every one of us... down through EVERY age. (before this age has passed all these things shall come to pass.) age after age after age...

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We are all a part of the ultimate truth. It is WITHIN that we will find "him" - not WITHOUT
I like that.
The messages are not so mysterious either when you consider them from that standpoint.

I wrote a song two christmases ago...
when I "had to" sing at the christmas mass
as paid musician,
(after I had already left the church)

I called it "Enter in/to the Stable".
The whole song was a double entendre.
A double meaning from start to finish.
Traditional christmas imagery on the surface...
but a much deeper message below ...
and between the lines.

Your words above remind me of that song...
and make me somewhat meloncholy.

Perhaps I will put up a recording of the song.
It's really good actually,
and it's rather a shame that it's become a relic...
on account of my own paradigm change.

I'm sorry for veering so far off topic.
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By reading the book THOTH you can understand how the 1000 year prophecy spoken by Bahaullah is fulfilled in The Mission of Maitreya,i.e., Bahaullah said that there shall be no more prophets for 1000 years.
Bahais have been interpreting this 1000 year prophecy as, 'God sends a prophet every 200 to 1000 years, as an answer as to how God sends His prophets, that is, and generally Bahais will further this and say that God sends a prophet every 1000 years, when mankind needs Gods help, God will send a new prophet to say whatever message is needed for that time. To conclude, Bahais believe that Bahaullah is the prophet for this very day.
Further along, this ushering in of Bahaullahs teachings will bring in an era of world peace, i.e., there will be world wide peace, and then after the whole world will believe in the teachings of Bahaullah, The Most Great Peace.
So when it is said that there is a new prophet from God, most bahais will say it is wrong. The Bahais say this because they are reading from the Bahai writings, which are from God, and can easily read that Bahaullah said 1000 years will pass before a new prophet to come, it is easy and it is clear, written by Bahaullah himself. What it means is 1000 years and you cant change that because Bahaullah wrote it himself, and there is metaphoric interpretation allowed in this part of the Bahai writings.




The 1000 years mentioned by Bahaullah is the exact 1000 years mentioned in The Revelation in the Bible.

Have you read about the 1000 years written about in Revelation? Put the two together, Bahaullahs 1000 years and the 1000 years in Revelation and what do you get? A few Bahais who say that there will be 1000 years of peace. So they put a time period for the World Peace, as to last 1000 years from reading in The Revelation in the bible. Some Bahais do that and now we have world peace that will last 1000 years and after that a new prophet could come.

So Bahaullahs teachings have fulfill all that. But who said so?
"Prophets come every 200 to 1000 years" is not supported by scripture.
Nothing has to change as to what Bahaullah wrote about the 1000, and yet there is still a new prophet. This is because Maitreya has explained what the 1000 years actually means and that changes everything.

Just as all prophets do as God wants them, Maitreya is explaining what the 1000 years means and is plays quite a large roll in this new revelation, the last revelation of God. Actually, there will be no more prophets at all after Maitreya, or prophets to bring back what will be lost later. It says in the bible that mystery of God will be finished with the Seventh Angel, who is Maitreya and his yantra.

There are two 1000 year intervals, it is a sundering of souls, but it does not begin until the Seventh Angel opens the Book of the Seven Seals. The Seventh Angel, a person of Bahai renown who will be here any time after the passing of Bahaullah.

If you happen to read THOTH, it can be understood that there is nothing changed in what Bahaullah said about 1000 years, it is simply the same 1000 years in Revelation.


Maitreya, those Bahais who have discovered him, is the Alif of the Greatest Name. Alif of the Greatest Name means there can also be prophecies interpted from the Bahai writings that indicate that there is a third part to the Bahai revelation. Hence, we have Maitreya explaining the 1000 years.


When the Seventh Angel opens the Book of the Seven Seals the mystery of God should be finished is what it says in Revelation. The, "Mystery of God is finished", is not what at all what Bahai are saying, but that Gods mystery will go on forever and ever. Sounds correct, God is the unknowable.
What Maitreya is saying is that God has revealed what all these religions are on earth for,that is mystery of God finished--i.e., the reason all these religions are on earth, including Bahai, and that is, The Eternal Divine Path,or the Shrii Shrii Para Maha Yantra which explains why all religions are on earth,again, also including Bahai, is the reason we are here in the first place. There is no need to say this or that is from or not from God, it is all from God, grow-up and mature, anyone can see the Maitreyas yantra is a series of religious symbols, read them and simply grow-up. Each symbol on the yantra represents each religion and the whole thing will lead to God and bring the Kingdom of Heaven to Earth, it is a Path, that brings the Kingdom of Heaven to Earth. That is the major thing about The Revelation, in the bible, is the bringing of the Kingdon of Heaven to Earth, so that many more people who live in this Kingdom of Heaven on Earth will reach God. The is no need to wonder about all the confusing religions, this means that, and this,ect ect. The answer to the world problems were sent by God over time, each was an Angel of the seven churches meantioned in Revelation.

the website to this religious doctrine is, Mission Of Maitreya, "Eternal DIvine Path"
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From The Kitab'i Aqdas, verse 37:

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Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather, follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise. Erelong shall clamorous voices be raised in most lands. Shun them, O My people, and follow not the iniquitous and evil-hearted. This is that of which We gave you forewarning when We were dwelling in `Iráq, then later while in the Land of Mystery, and now from this Resplendent Spot. "

emphasis mine. Baha`u'llah makes the claim to be the Maitreyah Buddha, 100 years before this fellow screamed at the doctor holding him.

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When the ocean of My presence hath ebbed and the Book of My Revelation is ended, turn your faces toward Him Whom God hath purposed, Who hath branched from this Ancient Root. "

By this is meant The Most Great Branceh, Abdu'l Baha.

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Yes, I read that part you have marked in red.

What could be more of an obvious meaning then the 1000 years in Revelation? Thousand years is thousand years and obviously, really!, obviously the 1000 years is the same as the one in Revelation.
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Scott, I don`t believe Bahaullah ever said he was the, 'maitreya buddha'. Shogii Effendi added that later in his book, God Passes By. And by the way succession of leaders and the Time of Mustaghath works, your attempt to degrade Maitreya has failed.
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Scott, I don`t believe Bahaullah ever said he was the, 'maitreya buddha'. Shogii Effendi added that later in his book, God Passes By. And by the way succession of leaders and the Time of Mustaghath works, your attempt to degrade Maitreya has failed.
Sorry, Drew. Abdu'l Baha makes the claim in Paris Talks, p137, In Some Answered Questions p 165, Promulgation Of World Peace, pp. 197, 221, 346, and 348; Tablets of Abdu'l Baha, pp. 1, 469; and ie to August Forel, on page 27.

Shoghi Effendi discusses the claim in three places, including God Passes By pp. 94-95, but the Guardian's statement is an explanation of Abdu'l Baha's statements.

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According to Abdu'l Baha and Shoghi Effendi the 1000 is one thousand calendar years of 365.25 days.

Abdu'l Baha waas not himself a Manifestation of God.

"He towers, in conjunction with them, above the destinies of this infant Faith of God from a level to which no individual or body ministering to its needs after Him, and for no less a period than a full thousand years, can ever hope to rise. To degrade His lofty rank by identifying His station with or by regarding it as roughly equivalent to, the position of those on whom the mantle of His authority has fallen would be an act of impiety as grave as the no less heretical belief that inclines to exalt Him to a state of absolute equality with either the central Figure or Forerunner of our Faith. For wide as is the gulf that separates `Abdu'l-Bahá from Him Who is the Source of an independent Revelation, it can never be regarded as commensurate with the greater distance that stands between Him Who is the Center of the Covenant and His ministers who are to carry on His work, whatever be their name, their rank, their functions or their future achievements. Let those who have known `Abdu'l-Bahá, who through their contact with His magnetic personality have come to cherish for Him so fervent an admiration, reflect, in the light of this statement, on the greatness of One Who is so far above Him in station.
3That `Abdu'l-Bahá is not a Manifestation of God, that, though the successor of His Father, He does not occupy a cognate station, that no one else except the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh can ever lay claim to such a station before the expiration of a full thousand years-- are verities which lie embedded in the specific utterances of both the Founder of our Faith and the Interpreter of His teachings."

The World Order of Bahá'u'lláh, Pages 128-139
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