Athiest don't exist (experience, atheist, pagan, God)

[UltraViolet]

what does not exist in the heart & mind of the observer?

[Don Penguinoini]

Originally Posted by MdmSzdWhtGuy

And the award for the understatement of the day goes to . . . .

You must tell me! who is it!?


HUMOUR AWARD!

[mcteethinator]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

What's all this propaganda about Athiests, just because there is some old writings that claim they exist and people that claim they experience "not believing". How about some scientific proof?

This is the biggest logical fallacy I've ever seen on these here internets.

[Ceridwen018]

Sonic,

I get it. You're trying to be funny by asking for proof that people experience non-belief, because you feel the idea that people exerience belief is under attack.

Where you misstep is in your, well, entire point. No one is trying to say that people can't "experience belief". In fact, scientific neurological studies have been done which explain the nuerological reasons for why people feel things like heightened euphoria or fear during a "religious experience". No one is trying to say those things don't exist. On the contrary, steps are being taken to explain the origin of them, and further verify their existence as I have just described.

Now, what IS being called into question is whether or not those religious experiences and beliefs are based on a true, actual, everything is satisfactual god. In this argument, I'm afraid atheists have the upper hand, but thanks for your input all the same.

[logician]

Originally Posted by Ceridwen018

Sonic,

I get it. You're trying to be funny by asking for proof that people experience non-belief, because you feel the idea that people exerience belief is under attack.

Where you misstep is in your, well, entire point. No one is trying to say that people can't "experience belief". In fact, scientific neurological studies have been done which explain the nuerological reasons for why people feel things like heightened euphoria or fear during a "religious experience". No one is trying to say those things don't exist. On the contrary, steps are being taken to explain the origin of them, and further verify their existence as I have just described.

Now, what IS being called into question is whether or not those religious experiences and beliefs are based on a true, actual, everything is satisfactual god. In this argument, I'm afraid atheists have the upper hand, but thanks for your input all the same.

Quite, true, the believers keep try to shift the onus on nonbelivers to prove Jesus didn't exist, when the converse is true, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. None is nor ever will be coming from the Christian side.

[dorsk188]

I think we are going about this the wrong way...

Atheist: NOUN. A person who lacks a belief in a higher power.

Using scientific instruments, such as MRI and CAT scans (independently verified in their ability to observe the inner workings of the human body) we can scan people who claim to be atheists and those that do not. If we find a difference in their brain activities consistantly, then we have proven that the atheists are in some way different than believers. Through various testing of other factors, we can attempt to elliminate other explanations. For example, we could see if the "atheist phenomenon" occurs in the brains of believers who are lying. Of if they appear in believers asked of their opinion of things they don't believe in (such as Zeus). Ultimately, we probably would find some hard evidence, if scientists were really interested in solving the "mystery" of whether atheists exist.

Since scientists are more interested in other things (thank Zeus), it would be wise to simply accept it when an atheist tells you what they believe about god. Alternatively, you could invest the time and money and research to do it yourselves. Unfortunately, evangelists seem more interested in forcing belief than they do in even understanding the mechanics of belief. Rather than seek understanding, they simply "know" that atheists, even those who wish to believe, simply aren't believing hard enough.

Science is a system of "most-likelys". Atheists most likely exist.
In it's purest form, you cannot logically prove anything exists, except for yourself.

Btw, we might want to test the other definition of atheist...

Atheist: VERB. To be awesome at something.

Ex. Dude, last night I atheisted your sister... Sorry...

[eudaimonia]

Originally Posted by Sonic247

Well I've met some people that claim God lives within them. If people saying disbelief is in there mind is proof they are Athiests then that is proof there is a God.

No, that doesn't follow logically. People are perfectly competent to say with complete authority that they 1) experience something that they interpret as God, or 2) do not experience anything that they interpret as God or coming from God, including belief in God. The proof of this is simply in the introspection.

I know of no atheists whatsoever who argue that their personal disbelief in God is proof that God doesn't exist, so your argument comes across to me as a strawman.


eudaimonia,

Mark