The Jesus myth... (Earth, beliefs, churches, theist, pagan)

[Kcnorwood]

It's a bit long but its very good & informative. I'd like to know what some of you think of it.


ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Official Release - Part 1 of 3

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

It's a bit long but its very good & informative. I'd like to know what some of you think of it.


ZEITGEIST, The Movie - Official Release - Part 1 of 3

No offence but personally I think this is complete rubbish. Typical conspiracy crap that will only fool those who want to be fooled. The amateur scholarship is ridiculous. The misrepresentaion of ancient religions is the stuff of willfull ignorance. It might be fun for people to watch in the same way that Dan Brown's work is fun, but no serious intellectual can give this tripe any credit. Most of the religious ideas were debunked hundreds of years ago.

If people aren't making conspiracies about cristians-bankers-9/11 they are making them about jews-military industrial complex-9/11... who knows who's next.

Anyway who swallows this is truly gullible.

[Kcnorwood]

There is alot of truth to what he says about holidays & older Gods coming before Jesus, not to mention the fact that all of it happaned before christiany ever came along.

[kmkemp]

Jesus was born on December 25? News to me.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by kmkemp

Jesus was born on December 25? News to me.

[Kcnorwood]

Originally Posted by kmkemp

Jesus was born on December 25? News to me.

You eould be surprised just how many chtistians out there belive that he was.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

You eould be surprised just how many chtistians out there belive that he was.

You would be surprised at just how many non-Christians out there lap up silly conspiracy theories and propagate nonsense. I guess it takes all kinds.

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

There is alot of truth to what he says about holidays & older Gods coming before Jesus, not to mention the fact that all of it happaned before christiany ever came along.

Things like Christmas and the (scholarly innacurate) guess that Jesus was born on Dec 25th etc etc came some time after the early church period and obviously were an adapatation of others people's calenders. None of which altered the underlying beliefs of the christian religion. A good example of why the holiday issue is irrelevant would be the Sabbath. Sunday became more popular in Western Christianity due to the widespread use of that day already due to pagan influences. No big deal. Note that many of the pagan 'conveniences' were not picked up by the Eastern christian churches, and to this day the fundamental theology of both remains the same. Holidays are cosmetic window dressing in this discussion.

Sun worship was indeed a part of many old religions, yet your movie at no point provides any evidence that this applied to christianity (I'm assuming this is all about christianity based on the title of this thread) The bible starts out clearly saying:

"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." Gen 1:14,15

Unlike Egyptan religions the Jewish God was always seperate from the created star we call the sun. And Judaism and Christianity are both strictly monotheistic, with the bulk of christians from the beginning accepting Jesus as God in the flesh. To suggest that the christian religion was ever about sun-worship is really silly.

As occult expert Jay Kinney says:

"Time and again, Zeitgeist maximizes emotional impact at the expense of a more reasoned weighing of evidence. But, perhaps that’s the intention."

Jay Kinney reviews Zeitgeist, the Movie - Boing Boing

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by rocketman

Things like Christmas and the (scholarly innacurate) guess that Jesus was born on Dec 25th ...

There was no scholarly guess.

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by Jay

There was no scholarly guess.

Exactly. I should have said unscholarly.