The Nation of Islam is Not Islam (NOI Cult and Louis Farrakhan Exposed) (Creator, Earth)

[fullyveiled muslimah]

In English we say, "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy; All play and no work makes Jack a mere toy'." What that means is that one needs to have balance between "deadly serious" times and "light-hearted" times. To do otherwise simply leads to psychological/spiritual imbalance.

That's not what the quote means. It doesn't mean muslims cannot have a sense of humor or have times where they are relaxed and having enjoyment. The quote meant that iman is to be taken seriously, not something that can be played about. It is serious at all times about what a muslim believes in his/her heart and to safegaurd their iman all the time. Islam is about striking a balance for all that a muslim does, even striking a balance with the worship as well. The prophet did warn us of going to any extreme and to stay a moderate course for all things including our Islam.

[fullyveiled muslimah]

However, technically you are correct and they are not Muslim's per se, but the reality is that getting them to agree with you will be rather difficult.

It's not difficult at all. Mnay of them will tell you that they are not muslims. Most have no problem to admit that fact. However they still operate under the guise of Islam, which is dishonest to say the least.

[love]

If you recite the Shadadah and then recant it isn't that worthy of death now and hell fire for eternity?
Someone should help save his soul from that hell or leave it up to God.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Abdullah al Hanafi

i will never understand racism , secondly the man insults and abuses Islam , he claims to be a Muslim he names himself and his followers muslims , so he comes on our field , he slanders and abuses islam , so no i wont respect or even try to understand a person that intentionally insults my religion , the only way to approach such a deviant racist is by exposing him and showing people the what Islam really means and preaches , and not the teachings of some Nationalist self appointed Minister , by using and abusing the name of Islam he insulted and attacked the whole muslim community , if he would made up his own cult and called it Nation Of Africanism for example and he wouldnt claim to be a muslim then i would ignore him , but he intentionally slanders Islam

So, how exactly does this make you any different from, say, an anti-LDS "missionary"?

I can understand a critique of NoI that compares it to normative Islam. I'm well aware there are elements of NoI that appear to be very much in conflict with the Qu'ran.

However, I don't see how bandying terms like "cult" about do much to make your point, unless the point is to appear somewhat trollish.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Abdullah al Hanafi

as for Khomeini , i am not a follower of Khomeini because many of his teachings contradict islam , some of his teachings are even insultive and not islamic

If Khomeini were still alive, I'm sure he would say the same thing about your beliefs.

[Grappleberry Punch]

I'm not a "Farrakhani", and it's totally up to you to decide what your definition of "real Islam" is. NOI is to Islam what Mormonism is to Christianity, afaic.

"Black Nationalism" was extremely relevent at the time when the USA was a White racist nation...seperation was seen as needed so Black people could have their own government, and wouldn't be under the power of oppressive white people. It helped a lot of people, spiritually, economically, politically. It should be taken as a religion from that context, and it's best to consider it as almost political movement with religious overtones.

I don't know where you got your information about NOI, but they do uphold the five pillars...their interpretations might be different but I KNOW they pray five times a day, for example. I think the major difference is definitely the idea of God Incarnate and the final prophecy.

No one thinks Farkarran represents Islam either, so you know. They do tend to think of people like Osama bin Laden when they think of Islam, but I suppose you don't have a problem with that, so ok.

Malcolm X May Allah have mercy on his soul : became a Muslim at the end of his life he saw that Islam is totally different then the Racist cult called Nation of Islam

He became a Muslim because he saw that white people in the Middle East were totally different than the real racist white people that were predominant in the US at the time. He saw that a multiracial religious brotherhood was possible, where before it seemed impossible to him. Because of real racist people running the US at the time.

[Ever learning]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Tom Cruise?

Could we take Brad Pitt instead?

[Ever learning]

Originally Posted by Grappleberry Punch

He became a Muslim because he saw that white people in the Middle East were totally different than the real racist white people that were predominant in the US at the time. He saw that a multiracial religious brotherhood was possible, where before it seemed impossible to him. Because of real racist people running the US at the time.

Thank´s for mentioning Malcolm X, a very god example.