The Nation of Islam is Not Islam (NOI Cult and Louis Farrakhan Exposed) (Creator, Earth)

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Abdullah al Hanafi

the problem these days is that people claim to follow a certain religion but in fact they dont.

How is this possible?

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by Malach1

Islam or Nation of Islam Farakhan or Mohammad all are dead- Let us speak of light and theone who is ALive

Louis Farrakhan's not dead.

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

So you could stop fearing and hating Farakhan and the Nation of Islam if you could learn to see yourself in him and understand what his religion means to him and why?

i will never understand racism , secondly the man insults and abuses Islam , he claims to be a Muslim he names himself and his followers muslims , so he comes on our field , he slanders and abuses islam , so no i wont respect or even try to understand a person that intentionally insults my religion , the only way to approach such a deviant racist is by exposing him and showing people the what Islam really means and preaches , and not the teachings of some Nationalist self appointed Minister , by using and abusing the name of Islam he insulted and attacked the whole muslim community , if he would made up his own cult and called it Nation Of Africanism for example and he wouldnt claim to be a muslim then i would ignore him , but he intentionally slanders Islam

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Abdullah al Hanafi

i will never understand racism , secondly the man insults and abuses Islam , he claims to be a Muslim he names himself and his followers muslims , so he comes on our field , he slanders and abuses islam , so no i wont respect or even try to understand a person that intentionally insults my religion

So that's a "no"?

MLK's statement must not apply here then:

Men often hate each other because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they can not communicate; they can not communicate because they are separated.

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

So that's a "no"?

MLK's statement must not apply here then:

Men often hate each other because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they can not communicate; they can not communicate because they are separated.

this quote refer to people's ignorance. sometimes people fear eachother out of ignorance they hate eachother because they dont know eachother.etc

but i am not ignorant on the Farrakhan matter thats why i try to explain and perhaps debate people who are ignorant about this racist. the quote doesnt refer to me it refers to people who are ignorant about Farrakhan his creed and that are ignorant when it comes to religious practice

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

How is this possible?

What do you mean how is it possible? It is definitely possible. I cannot call myself a jew while at the same time I deny every basic tenet of judaism. Me naming myself as such does not alter the reality that in theory and in practice I am not a jew, and neither do I believe in it. See what I think people get caught up in is that if a person names themselves a certain thing, then they are that no matter what particularly when it comes to religion. That is not true though. I can call myself what I want, but if I don't really believe it, and neither do I subscribe to all the things that belief in a certain religion or creed entails, then I am not really a believer in that.

It's the same thing to say that I am a software developer, but if I know nothing of software development, have never done it, never learned how to do it, never held a job as one, am I really a software developer or do I just call myself one? It's the same thing for religion. One can call themselves a muslim but the fact of the matter is there are certain criteria for that. You just can't say you are muslim but then hold belief completely apathetical to all that Islam is, then still be a muslim. It doesn't work like that in Islam. You either are or aren't and it ain't that hard to tell.

EDIT: There are no farakhanites here that I am aware of on these boards brother and welcome to the forum as well.

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah

What do you mean how is it possible? It is definitely possible. I cannot call myself a jew while at the same time I deny every basic tenet of judaism. Me naming myself as such does not alter the reality that in theory and in practice I am not a jew, and neither do I believe in it. See what I think people get caught up in is that if a person names themselves a certain thing, then they are that no matter what particularly when it comes to religion. That is not true though. I can call myself what I want, but if I don't really believe it, and neither do I subscribe to all the things that belief in a certain religion or creed entails, then I am not really a believer in that.

It's the same thing to say that I am a software developer, but if I know nothing of software development, have never done it, never learned how to do it, never held a job as one, am I really a software developer or do I just call myself one? It's the same thing for religion. One can call themselves a muslim but the fact of the matter is there are certain criteria for that. You just can't say you are muslim but then hold belief completely apathetical to all that Islam is, then still be a muslim. It doesn't work like that in Islam. You either are or aren't and it ain't that hard to tell.

EDIT: There are no farakhanites here that I am aware of on these boards brother and welcome to the forum as well.

well said sister fullyveiled muslimah ,

You just can't say you are muslim but then hold belief completely apathetical to all that Islam is, then still be a muslim. It doesn't work like that in Islam. You either are or aren't and it ain't that hard to tell.


There is no room for play in Islam It is deadly serious about everything. - Imam Musavi

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Abdullah al Hanafi

Louis Farrakhan and the Cult called : Nation of Islam Exposed

Malcolm X May Allah have mercy on his soul : became a Muslim at the end of his life he saw that Islam is totally different then the Racist cult called Nation of Islam

Um, the "Nation of Islam" has been around since the 1930's, so aren't you a bit slow in responding to them? However, technically you are correct and they are not Muslim's per se, but the reality is that getting them to agree with you will be rather difficult.

Tell me Abdullah, and by the way, welcome to the forums, do you think Usama bin Hidin' (Laden) is a good example of a Muslim? Are the Taliban presently in Afghanistan/Pakistan examples of a true Muslim?

Aside from this, I have never seen a member of the so-called "Nation of Islam" appear here on RF, so you might want to consider chatting about more relevant topics.

Originally Posted by Imam Musavi

There is no room for play in Islam. It is deadly serious about everything.

This opinion was also expressed by Ayatolla Khomeini and I think that it is indeed part of the problem with Islam. In English we say, "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy; All play and no work makes Jack a mere toy'." What that means is that one needs to have balance between "deadly serious" times and "light-hearted" times. To do otherwise simply leads to psychological/spiritual imbalance.

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

YmirGF You said:Tell me Abdullah, and by the way, welcome to the forums, do you think Usama bin Hidin' (Laden) is a good example of a Muslim? Are the Taliban presently in Afghanistan/Pakistan examples of a true Muslim? <<< Shayk Usama Bin Mohammed bin Ladin was a great freedom fighter during the Afghan-Russian war his mentor was the martyred Shaikh Abdullah Azzam ,


to respond to your question about the Taliban , their Emir leader , Mullah Omar is a hero nothing but good words about him , i rely on trustworthy sources on the taliban , i dont rely on Western-Zionist lies from the CNN-FOX NEWS etc

the Taliban removed the Drugs that was planted by the CIA from the Afghani land , now that the American Crusaders are back , the drugs is back and many many civilians,women,children died because of the American and European troops that are destroying the country ,


YmirGF you said:This opinion was also expressed by Ayatolla Khomeini and I think that it is indeed part of the problem with Islam. In English we say, "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy; All play and no work makes Jack a mere toy'." What that means is that one needs to have balance between "deadly serious" times and "light-hearted" times. To do otherwise simply leads to psychological/spiritual imbalance.[/quote] << you dont understand what is meant by the saying , it means we dont allow anyone to play with our religion , people cant just make up their own cults and claim to be islamic at the same time , to be a Muslim has rulings , there is no room for playing , Religion is something serious ,

as for Khomeini , i am not a follower of Khomeini because many of his teachings contradict islam , some of his teachings are even insultive and not islamic