Faith or Sceptism? (beliefs, evolve)

[Fluffy]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

In the West, we have freedom of speech, and worship. They are quite entitled to follow their calling, all I'm saying is , is that by all the known evidence, there is nothing about the story that has any verifiable data to give it a factual basis. Therfore it has be considered at the very least, to have no foundation in fact.

Which is entirely different from lying and self delusion and still fails to justify why the Latter Day Saints should be singled out for such criticism.

[sojourner]

I'm no fan of Marx, but when he said Religion was the opium of the masses, I think he was close to the truth.

wasn't it Goebbels who said, the bigger the lie, the more believable it is ?

These are the "experts" you're quoting to push your point?? Marx drove an empire directly into the ground and created suspicion for it on all sides. And we all know about Nazism...There's a real noble cause.

all I'm saying is , is that by all the known evidence, there is nothing about the story that has any verifiable data to give it a factual basis. Therfore it has be considered at the very least, to have no foundation in fact.

But it does have its foundation in faith. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Melissa G]

I'm only qouting them in the sense of a psychological viewpoint, both of them were loathsome individuals, but seemed to have a sense of how to sway large numbers of people. So, in that sense, they were experts.

I agree, Faith and Fact are strangers.

Melissa

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

I'm only qouting them in the sense of a psychological viewpoint, both of them were loathsome individuals, but seemed to have a sense of how to sway large numbers of people. So, in that sense, they were experts.

I agree, Faith and Fact are strangers.

Melissa

Apparently, so did George W. ... but nobody quotes him!

In spite of Marx's assertion, the Russian Orthodox survives and thrives and the nation is all the better for it.

In spite of Goebbel's twisting of facts and barrage of propaganda, taking advantage of the weakened spirits of the post-war Germans, as soon as the Dritte Reich fell, the Germans recanted the lies and rebuilt a respectable nation that has lasted much longer than the Reich.

Where's the "expertise" in spreading lies? It only shows that one is an expert at lying. By quoting them, aren't you sort of "buying into" the lies they're selling?

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by Melissa G

I prefer self-delusion for the masses, I mean after all, there around 8 million members of the LDS. I'm no fan of Marx, but when he said Religion was the opium of the masses, I think he was close to the truth. On the other hand, I'm sure there are many who profess to be religious, but only for social benefits, ie belonging to something that gives them a sense of identity.

Melissa G

Religion:Pagan.

Ironic:Yes.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Tangnefedd

When I read some of the posts by people who claim to have a faith in the weird and wonderful, and let's face it some of the faith stuff on here and forums like it, is pretty crazy, I opt for sceptism every time!

Skepticism is faith.

[cardero]

Doppelganger writes: Faith is the trust that allows a person to accept themselves honestly and without guilt or fear.

Faith is neither trust nor Truth. Faith can also lead to disappointment and discouragement.

[Random]

Originally Posted by cardero

Faith is neither trust nor Truth. Faith can also lead to disappointment and discouragement.

I am surprised to hear you say that, Cardero.

[w00t]

Faith can also lead to disappointment and discouragement.

It can certainly do that!