The "goals" of Islam (moral, America, faith, catholic)

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by !Fluffy!

(off topic, sorry) What's really absurd is that statement. When America developed the atomic bomb no single entity in the history of humankind held the destructive power and military might of the United States.

The end of WWII also gave the country a perfect opportunity to advance any imperialist notions it might have had. AAMOF I can't think of a single instance in history when a conqueror has done otherwise.

The US could have easily taken over any country they wanted. They chose the moral path and went home.

That was yesterday. This is today. Things have changed, and the US has been increasingly acting like an imperial power in recent years.

[!Fluffy!]

Originally Posted by jamaesi

Oh dear G-d, Fluffy. This is another time you've quoted from a "Ask a Muslim!" site that makes me want to scream. When you go looking for the worst, what do you think you're going to find? Roses and diamonds? It's clearer and clearer your intent in all threads that have anything to do with Islam, however vaguely, is to engage in an all-out smear campaign.

Nice talk.

If you have a problem with this particular Imam, then say so, and WHY, instead of making baseless accusations about ME. If you have a reason to display such an emotional reaction to such a wildly popular international Muslim website, you should give us a good reason, not this cr*p.

I'm sorry you have such a low boiling point, but you need to get over yourself and quit with the inflammatory dialogue or ignore me altogether when a quote from a Muslim touches a nerve.

here is a quote from someone you might know:

Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi

(His PR says: "His extremely influential book, Towards Understanding Islam (Risalat Diniyat in Arabic), placed Islam in modern context and enabled not only conservative ulema but liberal modernizers such as al-Faruqi, whose "Islamization of Knowledge" carried forward some of Maududi's key principles. Chief among these was an integration of Islam with an ethical scientific view.")

Quoting from Maududi's own work:

Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State. It must be evident to you from this discussion that the objective of Islamic 'Jihad' is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish in its stead an Islamic system of State rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single State or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.[22]

Toward Understanding Islam- Intro to islam

[!Fluffy!]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

That was yesterday. This is today. Things have changed, and the US has been increasingly acting like an imperial power in recent years.

I'm sorry to keep running this off topic, but you must be thinking of some other imperialist nation. The fact is that so far we own the same number of countries we had when my grandma was born, your opinions to the contrary notwithstanding.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by !Fluffy!

I'm sorry to keep running this off topic, but you must be thinking of some other imperialist nation. The fact is that so far we own the same number of countries we had when my grandma was born, your opinions to the contrary notwithstanding.

You're right -- debating that in this thread would be off topic.

[Jayhawker Soule]

The history of the Abbasid Caliphate makes clear that Islam is not inherently reactionary, but it is absurd to pretend that today's theocracies reflect the qualities of that "Golden Age".

[TashaN]

Wow, i just saw this thread. I have a class now, and i'll come back insha'Allah to give some answers later on.

Peace be upon you all.

[TashaN]

The class was canceled, thank God. Here we go ...

Originally Posted by Scott1

I was listening to a Christian radio broadcast about the differences between Islam and Christianity.

The host brought up what he believed to be the "goals" of the Islamic faith.... and I was hoping Muslims on the forum could clarify the truth of these:

1. Convert the entire world's population to Islam.

I believe they got it wrong.

"... To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single People, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you; so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute" (Quran 5:48)

2. Impose Islamic law on the entire world's population.

.... now, I knew about #1, but is sharia (sp?) law part of the Islamic vision for world domination? I didn't think every Muslim country had this form of law (Turkey for instance).

Thanks for the help.
S

Never heard of such a thing before. Why they think Islam seek to impose the shariah law all over the world while God didn't even ask us to convert people by force to Islam in the first place?

And you are most welcome.

[Scott1]

Wow... thanks Truth... it's like these people keep getting it wrong on purpose.... hmmmm..... oh well.... thanks for clearing it up for me.