Miracles. Not words. (Jesus, Earth, grace, hell, Jerusalem)

[LogDog]

I'm only asking for evidence today that god has supposedly already provided for people in the past. Consider the following:

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. (KJV)

["When they saw the miracles which he did," not "when they heard the words that he spoke."]

John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. (KJV)

["For no man can do these miracles that thou doest," not "for no man can speak the words that thou speakest."]

John 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. (KJV)

["Because they saw his miracles," not just "because they heard his words."]

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (KJV)

[Those people would not believe based solely upon jesus' words. They wanted to see some miracles firsthand, and the texts say that they got what they wanted.]

Acts 14:3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. (NIV)

The message of his grace was confirmed with miracles, not with words.

If jesus rose from the dead, if he had never left the earth, and had continued to perform miracles, had demostrated that intelligent design exists, and had never aged, there is no doubt that today, a much higher percentage of people would believe that he exists.

I thought that one of the things god is trying to accomplish is to help people go to heaven and not to hell. 2 Peter 3:9 basically says that god is not willing that any should perish. That indicates that it is god's desire that people go to heaven and not to hell. How can god best accomplish his desire that people go to heaven and not to hell? If a god exists, there is no doubt whatsoever that he could easily increase the number of people who believe that he exists without threatening or mistreating them, and without interfering with their free will, assuming for the sake of argument that free will exists.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by LogDog

I'm only asking for evidence today that god has supposedly already provided for people in the past. Consider the following:

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. (KJV)

["When they saw the miracles which he did," not "when they heard the words that he spoke."]

John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. (KJV)

["For no man can do these miracles that thou doest," not "for no man can speak the words that thou speakest."]

John 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. (KJV)

["Because they saw his miracles," not just "because they heard his words."]

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (KJV)

[Those people would not believe based solely upon jesus' words. They wanted to see some miracles firsthand, and the texts say that they got what they wanted.]

Acts 14:3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to do miraculous signs and wonders. (NIV)

The message of his grace was confirmed with miracles, not with words.

If jesus rose from the dead, if he had never left the earth, and had continued to perform miracles, had demostrated that intelligent design exists, and had never aged, there is no doubt that today, a much higher percentage of people would believe that he exists.

I thought that one of the things god is trying to accomplish is to help people go to heaven and not to hell. 2 Peter 3:9 basically says that god is not willing that any should perish. That indicates that it is god's desire that people go to heaven and not to hell. How can god best accomplish his desire that people go to heaven and not to hell? If a god exists, there is no doubt whatsoever that he could easily increase the number of people who believe that he exists without threatening or mistreating them, and without interfering with their free will, assuming for the sake of argument that free will exists.

Yes, but being God, he could just as easily not.