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Old 10-23-2007, 12:10 AM
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A late night question.

Are the Garden of Eden and the Kingdom of God the same 'states?'

Can we really get back to the Garden? Do we want to?
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:16 AM
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Yes... in that both enjoy the presence of God. For me, that is the very definition/criteria of heaven. God's absence is the definition of hell!
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:27 AM
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My favorite interpretation is that the "Cherubim weilding a flaming sword turning in every direction at once, barring the way to the tree of life" is the human mind; spinning in every direction at the same time, keeping us from realizing we're already in Eden/The Kingdom of God.
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Old 10-23-2007, 12:32 AM
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And I dreamed I saw the bombers
Riding shotgun in the sky
And they were turning into butterflies
Above our nation
We are stardust
Billion year old carbon
We are golden
Caught in the devils bargain
And weve got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
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Old 10-23-2007, 07:47 AM
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That's a comparison I would agree with, though I like the term "Garden" more than "Kingdom."
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Old 10-23-2007, 07:51 AM
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That's a comparison I would agree with, though I like the term "Garden" more than "Kingdom."
So do I. "Kingdom" summons a more easily misunderstood imagery.
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Old 10-23-2007, 07:55 AM
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But isn't there perhaps a distinctive difference between these two?

Why doesn't the NT use the analogy of the Garden if the two are interchangeable?
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Why doesn't the NT use the analogy of the Garden if the two are interchangeable?
Different authors. The NT was composed to work around the problem of a purported Messiah who wasn't an earthly king. The authors required this sort of imagery to sell the message.
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Old 10-23-2007, 08:32 AM
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The Garden represents a primordial innocence, before we came to self-awareness. Can we really get back to that kind of state and remain human?

I like Quagmire's idea that our mind is the whirling twirling blade (he he, the philospher's knives), that keep us from reentering. We are now faced with conscious choice to Love and 'judge not.' Isn't this different from the Garden?
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