Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Again, you're confusing yourself. I don't want anything to stop humans from doing bad things. I'm fine with the universe as it is. You're also confusing the signs. When you stop thinking of the universe as a creation, you'll be able to see the other side. Think of it more like a stone chair than a house. A stone chair can work just as well as a cloth one. A stone chair can also be created by unintelligent forces of nature. The universe is like that stone chair, and can be created by unintelligent forces.

When I stop thinking of the universe as a creation? Wasting your time there. It's not going to happen. You don't have that kind of power.

The universe is like a stone chair, huh? But the universe did not create a cloth chair, that took intelligent beings.

The atom alone is so precisely designed that if there was .0000001 difference it would not stay together and there would be nothing. That is proof.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Phasmid

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Because religion leaves me with more questions than answers. I'd like to believe 100% but I find there are too many problems with it.

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That's a very presumptuous question. My ego doesn't rate high on my reasons for not fully believing. My problem is that I'm supposed to believe in illogical tales from thousands of years ago for which there is no evidence. I'd hardly call that a problem with my ego.

Religion? Religions represent their own interests. They don't represent God.

Have you ever noticed that each and every single prophet was NOT a leading member of the main religion of the time?

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Dirty Penguin

I see where you are trying to go with this but wouldn't it be fair to say that we have evidence on who built the house? All of the components of the house can be traced back to their source.




Correct....but there, again, is sufficient evidence to show who delivered it. If I find fault in the food I can go to the source. There is no evidence to show the existence of a source/creator.




Yes...."LEVI", "GAP", "CALVIN KLEIN".......If these companies are producing inferior product I need look no further than the source.



History has shown that there are a lot of things we never had the answers for but we discovered those answers. Now do we know the answer to everything....? NOPE.....Are we still discovering answers to questions we had or have?....YEP.... Does this mean...because we can't answer them there must be a higher power involved?....NOPE....

The kicker, to me, is that we argue and debate over the existence of said higher power but none of us, at this point in time, can prove nor disprove the existence of it.

If we have answered your question as to why we don't believe then shouldn't that be sufficient or are you simply fishing...trying to find a flaw in the logic we use to reach this conclusion?

A simple answer we can give you is..."I don't believe in gods because their is no reason to."....."A god is not a necessity."




We'd all like to "just get along" with each other but such is not the nature of man.

Sure we can trace the source of a house but what if you could not? Lets suppose you came upon an old abandoned log cabin in the woods, would you just assume the woods built it?

You are correct, no one can prove God's existence. But what I have found is that your view sways you towards belief or disbelief. If you are a person who is unhappy with your life situation you see things in a negative view. You could also be a person with low self esteem who wants more than anything for God to exist yet really, deep down, not believe.

That's what this thread is really about. What your view is, not proving God or disproving God. It's not about changing anyone's mind, honestly, I don't even care, but I do want to know if you know why you believe in this or that.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

When I stop thinking of the universe as a creation? Wasting your time there. It's not going to happen. You don't have that kind of power.

I know it's not going to happen, but, for some reason, I still have hope.

The universe is like a stone chair, huh? But the universe did not create a cloth chair, that took intelligent beings.

Sure, and those intelligent beings came from the "stone chair".

The atom alone is so precisely designed that if there was .0000001 difference it would not stay together and there would be nothing. That is proof.

No, that is what you take to be evidence. Just because something is very precise doesn't mean something created it with a purpose. That's like saying that the one person who wins the lottery picking numbers that had to be exactly correct without a .000000001 difference, picked those exact numbers knowing they would win with them. There is a thing called chance, and randomness. Sometimes things just happen. People have a very, very tiny chance of dying from just falling down a couple of stairs, but it happens. That doesn't prove anything.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by mball1297

I know it's not going to happen, but, for some reason, I still have hope.



Sure, and those intelligent beings came from the "stone chair".

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No, that is what you take to be evidence. Just because something is very precise doesn't mean something created it with a purpose. That's like saying that the one person who wins the lottery picking numbers that had to be exactly correct without a .000000001 difference, picked those exact numbers knowing they would win with them. There is a thing called chance, and randomness. Sometimes things just happen. People have a very, very tiny chance of dying from just falling down a couple of stairs, but it happens. That doesn't prove anything.

I'm not some low self esteem Jesus Freak who hopes that there is "something" after this just because I'm afraid of death. I grew up barely exposed to religion at all but even that was enough for me to hate everything it represents. Then, my eyes were opened and I realized that we all view the same thing differently because of our mindset. We allow our personalities and emotions to control us.

There is a husband and wife I know who argued furiously one morning because he bought the wrong toothpaste. But the argument wasn't about toothpaste, was it?

Figure yourself out. Phsychoanalyze yourself. Ask yourself each day, "Am I in a good mood or bad mood?" Then deduce why. If you are in a bad mood just tell yourself that you will be angry later because it's just not worth it.

Intelligent beings came from stone? How so? Why isn't this stone doing it now?

Chance and randomness never formed a cloth chair. Lava never makes a Samurai Sword. The wind never forms dust particles into a watch. Hmm, I wonder why? You'd think they would be all over the place.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I'm not some low self esteem Jesus Freak who hopes that there is "something" after this just because I'm afraid of death. I grew up barely exposed to religion at all but even that was enough for me to hate everything it represents. Then, my eyes were opened and I realized that we all view the same thing differently because of our mindset. We allow our personalities and emotions to control us.

There is a husband and wife I know who argued furiously one morning because he bought the wrong toothpaste. But the argument wasn't about toothpaste, was it?

Figure yourself out. Phsychoanalyze yourself. Ask yourself each day, "Am I in a good mood or bad mood?" Then deduce why. If you are in a bad mood just tell yourself that you will be angry later because it's just not worth it.

I'm not sure how this is relevant. Yes, we're all trying to expalin things. What we're differing on here is the way each of us explains it and why.

Intelligent beings came from stone? How so? Why isn't this stone doing it now?

It was a metaphor. The universe is the "stone chair", created by unintelligent forces.

Chance and randomness never formed a cloth chair. Lava never makes a Samurai Sword. The wind never forms dust particles into a watch. Hmm, I wonder why? You'd think they would be all over the place.

Why would they be all over the place? They are man-made creations. The unintelligent forces created us over time, and now we have created those things. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Originally Posted by Super Universe

Could I change my belief so that I believe that Isis is the chief deity? I could. It would require a powerful vision or some other moving event.
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Ego has nothing to do with believing in God? Well, if it does not apply to you then answer the OP. Why don't you believe?

Maybe I haven't had a powerful vision or some other moving event.

Also, you could not change your beliefs without some external event. Unless your ego has an external component, that means the ego cannot alone be responsible for a belief or lack.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Lets suppose you came upon an old abandoned log cabin in the woods, would you just assume the woods built it?

Nope.....But just because you don't know how it came to be does not mean some unseen sky daddy built it. A long time ago man thought God or the gods held the earth in place and some, even with their supposed intellect and knowledge of their god and the world as they knew it, thought the world to be flat. Man, on his own, discovered none of this was true.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

If you are a person who is unhappy with your life situation you see things in a negative view.

Neither of these describe me...I'm really a happy person....

Originally Posted by Super Universe

You could also be a person with low self esteem who wants more than anything for God to exist yet really, deep down, not believe.

Naw...not me.....I have lots of self esteem. I love who I am. Again, I don't believe in gods because there is no reason to. You may have your reasons and to you they are justifiable....but to me there is no reason to believe in gods...