Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist) - Page 87

Super Universe · #**861** 05-10-2008, 11:18 AM

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had to spell it out for you. Parents don't have a choice in the world into which they bring their kids. They can choose not to be parents, but if they want to be parents, they have to bring kids into this world that we have.

I guess it's hard for you to think outside the box, huh? So, this earth's existence is no more important than a game's existence? You're only thinking of how things are. If I was an omnipotent God, I could make it so that people could all play a game and everyone would win. I could make it so that people didn't have to die, or make death different and make it just a change. I could do anything, and I wouldn't be constricted by the way things work in the world we know, because the world we know would not exist. The point is you're only thinking of things through the way they already work, and I'm talking about changing the basic way they work so that they don't even resemble what we already know.

Oh please do me a favor and spell it out for me. You know how uneducated and unaccomplished us theists are.

Is poor lil baby boy in need of a nap and getting grumpy? Can't handle the discussion? Boo hoo... If you can't handle it, they why participate?

You would make it so everyone wins huh? And what would each learn then? They would think that no effort is necessary. They would be lazy and not try to solve problems because there wouldn't be any. They would accomplish nothing because they wouldn't have to. You just don't get it, the universe is not a gift for you to enjoy in supreme splendor. It's like an expanding nation that needs civil workers to help in it's growth.

mball1297 · #**862** 05-10-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Universe

Oh please do me a favor and spell it out for me. You know how uneducated and unaccomplished us theists are.

Is poor lil baby boy in need of a nap and getting grumpy? Can't handle the discussion? Boo hoo... If you can't handle it, they why participate?

You would make it so everyone wins huh? And what would each learn then? They would think that no effort is necessary. They would be lazy and not try to solve problems because there wouldn't be any. They would accomplish nothing because they wouldn't have to. You just don't get it, the universe is not a gift for you to enjoy in supreme splendor. It's like an expanding nation that needs civil workers to help in it's growth.

Um...I can handle it, which is why I've actually responded to all of your questions. Can you say the same? It's not because you're a theist, it's because you don't seem to understand the points made by others.

Why not just make it a place to enjoy? To you they would accomplish nothing, but they could be better off than we are now without having to work for it. Again, you're thinking of things i=only in terms of how they currently work. Everything could be different, even the laziness and problem-solving part.

Super Universe · #**863** 05-10-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mball1297

Um...I can handle it, which is why I've actually responded to all of your questions. Can you say the same? It's not because you're a theist, it's because you don't seem to understand the points made by others.

Why not just make it a place to enjoy? To you they would accomplish nothing, but they could be better off than we are now without having to work for it. Again, you're thinking of things i=only in terms of how they currently work. Everything could be different, even the laziness and problem-solving part.

Why not just make it a place to enjoy? I guess you missed the flowers and trees and ocean surf?

Humans could be better off not having to work? Yeah, sounds like something I'd hear from a lazy homeless person. If the entire universe wanted to meet your every whim I guess it could be. Personally, I enjoy learning, achieving, and accomplishing things. It's better than having it given undeserved.

mball1297 · #**864** 05-10-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Universe

Why not just make it a place to enjoy? I guess you missed the flowers and trees and ocean surf?

Humans could be better off not having to work? Yeah, sounds like something I'd hear from a lazy homeless person. If the entire universe wanted to meet your every whim I guess it could be. Personally, I enjoy learning, achieving, and accomplishing things. It's better than having it given undeserved.

Again, it's only undeserved by our standards. We could be better beings than we are now, and have a "perfect" world, too. You're still thinking of it from a perspective assuming things work the way they do currently. I enjoy those things too, but I'd rather just have them without the bad stuff, which is possible, just not in the universe we inhabit currently.

I do enjoy the trees and oceans and stuff, but they are not the only things in life.

Nessa Nenharma · #**865** 05-10-2008, 03:42 PM

I choose to believe in a God and just as equally a Goddess. I don't like to think that we are here for nothing and no purpose, and that when we die we cease to exist. I also can't fathom believing that there is one God that would seek out his wrath upon people who commited no crime other than being born. I think we have consequences to our actions while we are alive here on Earth.

Kcnorwood · #**866** 05-10-2008, 06:29 PM

I do not believe that a God would create evil & then want to save us from it. The fact that life can come from a single male deity makes no sence to me, there is no balance in that. As a ex-Christian I never felt his presence nor anything else. When those who call thenselves Christians can not agree on what is doctrine how can others believe in God? There is something wrong about someone blaming someone or something that no one can see or hear. Satan is just a poor excuse. You make a choice to do things right or wrong.

Super Universe · #**867** 05-11-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mball1297

Again, it's only undeserved by our standards. We could be better beings than we are now, and have a "perfect" world, too. You're still thinking of it from a perspective assuming things work the way they do currently. I enjoy those things too, but I'd rather just have them without the bad stuff, which is possible, just not in the universe we inhabit currently.

I do enjoy the trees and oceans and stuff, but they are not the only things in life.

You'd rather have the good things without the bad things? Great, then fix it. The earth is YOUR planet, isn't it? Humans are YOUR species, aren't they? Oh, but you shouldn't have to, right? God should fix your brother's problems to make it so you can have it easy. You're still thinking it should all be about you.

mball1297 · #**868** 05-11-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Universe

You'd rather have the good things without the bad things? Great, then fix it. The earth is YOUR planet, isn't it? Humans are YOUR species, aren't they? Oh, but you shouldn't have to, right? God should fix your brother's problems to make it so you can have it easy. You're still thinking it should all be about you.

If the Christian God is the true one, then it is all about humans. You have also said it's all about us in quotes that you refuse to explain because they contradict this particular argument of yours. And, yes, a loving, omnipotent God would make things easy and perfect for everything, that way all of us humans would be perfectly happy, and so would the rest of creation.

You're still missing the point. Think about it in the way that everything is different, that goals are achieved not through hard work, but by other means. People gain the knowledge and experience of things without having to put in all of the work, and go through suffering. People still come out better people than humans are currently, but without having to go through all of the crap. The Christian God could accomplish this, but apparently has chosen not to.