Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by camanintx

Because it violates Occam's Razor.

Your guess is as good as mine.

Don't care.

0. As long as people don't try to force their beliefs on me, I couldn't care less if there is a God.

But are all things equal?

Even if they were, which is more simple:

1) That a series of extremely precise accidents formed particles, the physical laws, time, the universe and life, and all in an extremely precise order

or

2) Intelligence is behind it all

You could care less if God exists? Sure, go on with your life. It's yours to live as you wish. But... why are you here, on RF, then?

[rasor]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Umm, you're not actually expecting me to believe that fabrication are you? There are crazy people who see UFO's too!

Once again, provide some proof or quit making positive claims!

I'm afraid you'll only believe what suits your fantasies, and expect others to believe them with you. psst (whats LSD really like?)

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Why do you think God is intangible and something that you cannot know?

So God is tangible then? With what sense can I perceive Him, vision, hearing, smell?
Are you the same person who defined God as a first cause?
Have you really thought this through?

[camanintx]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

But are all things equal?

Even if they were, which is more simple:

1) That a series of extremely precise accidents formed particles, the physical laws, time, the universe and life, and all in an extremely precise order

or

2) Intelligence is behind it all

As we only have a sample of one when it comes to studying universes capable of supporting life, how can we say what the possibility of things turning out differently are? Since we have ample evidence that natural processes can produce order from chaos, why do we need to introduce the concept of God to explain anything?

Originally Posted by Super Universe

You could care less if God exists? Sure, go on with your life. It's yours to live as you wish. But... why are you here, on RF, then?

I'm here because I enjoy the exchange of ideas. If I was interested in being proven right or wrong, I wouldn't be here.

[rasor]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

But are all things equal?

Even if they were, which is more simple:

1) That a series of extremely precise accidents formed particles, the physical laws, time, the universe and life, and all in an extremely precise order

You are assuming that the universe and us as it is now. is a planned result of these "accidents"
If the same thing was rerun a totally different result is possible,in fact more than likely.

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Willamena

God has texts, eyewitnesses, and construction blueprints if you know where to look (philosophy).

Eye-witnesses? You're kidding. Did they all see the same thing? Have you met any? What did they say?

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

A biological process that, without medical intervention, stands a good chance of killing the woman in question (or the baby, or both) is a far cry from "perfect", IMO.


The implicit claim in your original post was that God does exist, and that the failure of those who don't acknowledge this to recognize this fact is primarily caused by their own egos. Normal convention is that the person making an assertion is the one responsible for justifying it... if they're trying to sway people to their point of view at least.

I don't believe anyone here is trying to convince you that God does not exist. Therefore, it's not up to anyone to justify to you why they believe God does not exist.

On the other hand, your apparent purpose in starting this thread was to sway others to your point of view. Therefore, the burden of proof (or at least the burden of persuasion) is yours.

If nobody provides the logical basis for their positions, then nobody's mind will change... which means that your purpose here has been unfulfilled. Nobody else's, just yours. If you want to convince people that you're right, it's up to you.

Hmm, a good chance of killing the woman? Hardly. How does any population survive and grow to 6 billion when there's a good chance that both the baby and mother die?

God does exist. People don't see the evidence for God for a number of reasons but their ego's are the main thing interfering. I cannot justifying something when absolute evidence of that thing is provided and people still refuse to accept it.

My purpose was not to sway anyone. I just wanted to ask, "Do you know why you don't believe?" Nobody's mind is going to change regardless of the logic or evidence provided. That's the whole point of this exercise. Stop being so afraid and relax, I'm not going to make you into a Catholic.

My purpose has been unfulfilled? Hehe, actually is has, and you really don't see it, do you?

What do you think the purpose of the internet is? To ignore the spouse and kids? Or maybe it's to...

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

God does not live in another dimension. God exists in heaven which is non-space/time. The central hub of the multi-verse. The dimensions are created by God energy. Heaven is not.

And you know this how?

We cannot sense God? Well, some people are born with certain genetics that allow them to channel ascended beings. Not all ascended beings are good. These people almost always believe that the being that is talking to them is "God". There is much you do not understand about other types of energy. You give away your energy to these beings when you worship them. Other ascended beings target people to cause fear, another way for them to get your energy.

And you know this how?

The soul transmits information from our five senses to God. In this way, God experiences everything that you experience. The communication is actually both ways as God sends information to the soul as well but your human form is kept out of the loop so you maintain your individuality and free will. Also, you would go quite mad if any of the information somehow came into your brain, the frequency and amount of information is much to high for us to handle.

And you know this how?

So since God creates the universe and everything in it we can begin to develop an understanding of what God is just by studying - everything.

AYKTH?

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by rasor

I'm afraid you'll only believe what suits your fantasies, and expect others to believe them with you. psst (whats LSD really like?)

Not at all. I don't expect you to believe in something you can't understand.