Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

Well, I didn't realize you had much of a sense a humor, but now I do as you are most certainly joking. Sorry dear Melissa G, you are incorrect. To be accurate there are two camps and the adherents of each camp are not as firm in their belief as you may think. One camp states that we are in a closed (finite) universe, the other camp states that we are in an open (infinite) universe. You might want to read up on the subject a bit.

So I guess I will start making calls to the various Cosmologists on the planet and let them know to stop postulating answers as notso Super_Universe has it all figured out. Gee, what do you think the chances of that are? (About as good as pigs flying, I'd be willing to wager.) But hey this is all revelation of some sort, so there is no possibility that it could be wrong -- right?

You might want to upgrade yourself there Ymir.

There are three camps.

[methylatedghosts]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

How can we know what God is? Can you tell what a puzzle is when you only have part of it assembled?

*psst*

Just check the box - normally it has a picture of the puzzle you're making...

[Papersock]

Visions of God are more subjective than pictures of the Eiffel Tower? Why, because you understand the process behind how a camera works and you don't understand the process behind how God works?

Visions of God are more subjective than pictures of the Eiffel Tower because visions are subjective and pictures (and towers) are objective.
The main thing I don't like about comparing god with the Eiffel Tower is that it's comparing something intangible with something tangible.

I almost hate to bring it up again, because the conversation has moved one since then. But oh well.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

How can we know what God is? Can you tell what a puzzle is when you only have part of it assembled?

We cannot know what god is or even that god is anything. We cannot know what would be evidence for something we cannot know.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Papersock

Visions of God are more subjective than pictures of the Eiffel Tower because visions are subjective and pictures (and towers) are objective.
The main thing I don't like about comparing god with the Eiffel Tower is that it's comparing something intangible with something tangible.

I almost hate to bring it up again, because the conversation has moved one since then. But oh well.

But pictures can be faked.

I'm not comparing God to the Eiffel Tower, I'm comparing the level of evidence for both.

If you never visit Paris, the Eiffel Tower is just as intangible as God is.

We can, and do, know to some degree what God is. You just won't accept it.

[Papersock]

Oops, you replied before I finished editing my last post.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

But pictures can be faked.

And so can visions.

I'm not comparing God to the Eiffel Tower, I'm comparing the level of evidence for both.

If you never visit Paris, the Eiffel Tower is just as intangible as God is.

If I were the only person in the world, and I had never been to Paris to see the Eiffel Tower and never seen pictures of it, I would have no reason to think it existed.

They do have different levels of evidence, I think. What is the photo equivalent of something intangible that we cannot even know?

[Papersock]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

We can, and do, know to some degree what God is. You just won't accept it.

Then how do we know what god is? It seemed like from your earlier posts you were saying we cannot know what god is and I was agreeing with you.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Papersock

Then how do we know what god is? It seemed like from your earlier posts you were saying we cannot know what god is and I was agreeing with you.

I guarantee I never said or implied that we cannot know what God is. I may have said or implied that a certain individual cannot know what God is because their mind is closed.

Learning is one of the reasons the universe exists. Once we become wise enough, we know how everything works and we know where heaven is and exactly how to get there.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Papersock

Oops, you replied before I finished editing my last post.


And so can visions.

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If I were the only person in the world, and I had never been to Paris to see the Eiffel Tower and never seen pictures of it, I would have no reason to think it existed.

They do have different levels of evidence, I think. What is the photo equivalent of something intangible that we cannot even know?

Why do you think God is intangible and something that you cannot know?