Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

What does it matter? It's important to analyze yourself.

Ok, thank you for the advice.

You should know what emotions control you.

Love controls most of my day. Life works better that way.

Did God tell me? No, absolutely not. I'm not that important. Not nearly that important.

Then, how do you surmise God doesn't care when we do or don't believe? Isn't that answer simply your opinion?

Each statement I make is from my point of view. A point of view that was athiest for 21 years. Has yours evolved?

Yes, indeed my point of view has evolved. I was a Christian for 25 years and am now agnostic. I came to the conclusion after much study and reflection that if there is a God, I have absolutely no idea who he is or what he wants. And according to you...it doesn't matter either. Good.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Ok, thank you for the advice.

Love controls most of my day. Life works better that way.

Then, how do you surmise God doesn't care when we do or don't believe? Isn't that answer simply your opinion?
Yes, indeed my point of view has evolved. I was a Christian for 25 years and am now agnostic. I came to the conclusion after much study and reflection that if there is a God, I have absolutely no idea who he is or what he wants. And according to you...it doesn't matter either. Good.

It doesn't matter to God whether humans believe or do not believe because He is not so easily swayed by our drama, our roller coaster life, our emotional outbursts. Human's are all bi-polar, just to different extremes.

It doesn't matter now whether you believe or not but in your future it will.

You gave and gave and got nothing back huh? I can understand. Did you ever set a plate for Him at the table? Not sure if you tried that one, maybe you did. If not, try it.

What have you got to lose?

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

It doesn't matter now whether you believe or not but in your future it will.

Ahhhhh, ok, here we're going to get into the real nitty gritty. What will happen to me pray tell if I don't believe? And, how do you know?

You gave and gave and got nothing back huh? I can understand. Did you ever set a plate for Him at the table? Not sure if you tried that one, maybe you did. If not, try it.

What have you got to lose?

HUH?

[Super Universe]

In order to ascend the dimensional ladder you have to understand how the universe works because you have to go up the ladder yourself, it's a ladder, not an elevator.

An advanced understanding of God theory will be provided to you, something that 99% of all beings believe in when shown all the support.

The other 1% are lost. Regardless of the proof provided you do not have to believe in anything if you do not wish to.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

What is the reason you don't believe in God? Or the reason you're not absolutely positively sure God exists?

I never kid myself entirely S_U. To be on sound footing one must realize that there is always the simple possibility that god-concepts are all in our imagination. My thinking is if we ever let ourselves insist on a certain model of reality then we have managed to delude ourselves. Doubt is good; certainty is for fools.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I'd guess the number one reason is because people see bad things happening all around them and can't understand why God would allow it to happen.

That is a rather simplistic approach. I would rather expect it is because they tend to believe in concrete realities that they can perceive with their physical senses. It is altogether a reasonable position to take. When people demonstrate great leaps of faith then their ashtrays can indeed become as gods.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

How would you rate the other reasons not to believe?

The foremost reason to NOT believe, imho, is the simple fact that most of the reasons TO believe are not particularly believable. Is that so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Now the key question, where would you rate your own ego as a reason and do you realize it's the main reason?

My ego is in harmony with my larger identity S_U. This is a weak attempt at a trick question actually as it presupposes that the ego is a miserable little creature that does not deserve to be trusted and allied with greater aspects of being. Fortunately such is not the case and this is why I am on record as saying that atheists have a far better chance of seeing reality, for what it is, than theists, as traditionally and in general, they have far less baggage to toss out.

Theists by default are under the impression that they hold the magic marble in the palm of their hand and yet they don't realize that they touch nothing but their own skin.

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Originally Posted by Super Universe

In order to ascend the dimensional ladder you have to understand how the universe works because you have to go up the ladder yourself, it's a ladder, not an elevator.

There is no so-called dimensional ladder, S_U. Trust me, on this one and if you insist there is then you evidently have little understanding of these things.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

An advanced understanding of God theory will be provided to you, something that 99% of all beings believe in when shown all the support.

May I see the statistical analysis for this unfounded presumption, S_U? *Flutters eyes annoyingly* Oh look... a bunny! --==>>>

Originally Posted by Super Universe

The other 1% are lost. Regardless of the proof provided you do not have to believe in anything if you do not wish to.

Get over it S_U, as no one is lost although many are too busy to be bothered. You are no different than Muslims who tell me all I need to is read the Noble Qur'an with an open heart and an empty intellect or Christians who insist I latch on to their version of Geesuz to be saved from myself for an incredibly boring eternity of supplications. Reality is not as sexy as god-concepts but I infinitely prefer reality to the drivel of such sentiments.

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

In order to ascend the dimensional ladder you have to understand how the universe works because you have to go up the ladder yourself, it's a ladder, not an elevator.

How do we figure out how the universe works? Isn't that a tall order for us measly humans?

An advanced understanding of God theory will be provided to you, something that 99% of all beings believe in when shown all the support.

Ok, show me the goods.

The other 1% are lost. Regardless of the proof provided you do not have to believe in anything if you do not wish to.

And what happens to them?

[UltraViolet]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

It doesn't matter to God whether humans believe or do not believe because He is not so easily swayed by our drama, our roller coaster life, our emotional outbursts. Human's are all bi-polar, just to different extremes.

It doesn't matter now whether you believe or not but in your future it will.

I find that to be just such an utterly strange statement.

When else would it be important to experience God but in the now moment?

I somehow think it's rather more like....

"God says to christians when they reach the pearly gates....
"I sent prophets, I sent Y'shua to tell you that the Kingdom is NOW,
and you did not enter into the fullness of NEW LIFE on earth,
in His example, cause you were so concerned with "winning" it
when your body was laid 6 feet under. The gates were before you all along.
I sent you windows, and doors in the spirit, but you chose doctrine instead of freedom.
You kept your eyes on the future... instead of walking into/in eternity."
"You forfieted your inheratance on earth, and yes. It does matter to me.
I'm not angry. But it's a real shame. Don't you think?"

[LogDog]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Does God prove Himself? Uh, how about the universe? How about life? How about the earth? Those aren't enough I guess.

It would be egotistical for you to suggest that the "evidence" you find so convincing should be sufficient for everyone else.

Why do you think it is that your "god of love" would spare some from eternal torment by providing the evidence that convinces them to believe but won't do the same for others?