Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

How else would you know God exists? Well, your standard of proof. Is it easier to believe that atoms formed themselves and formed time and organized planetary systems that followed physical laws and then those atoms, somehow, formed life?

It's always easier to believe "God did it". It's so easy to believe "God did it" that any child can believe "God did it". But the mere ease with which we swallow things does not prove them true.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I don't have to. You are doing it for me.

Are you evading the question?

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Do you understand quantum physics? Neither do I....but ask Mr.Spinkles sometime how matter is created from nothing, it can happen.

Ok, let's say I believe in God. Then what? Is he mad when I don't believe? Is he happy when I do believe? If so, how do you know?

I haven't talked with Mr. Sprinkles but I'd absolutely love to hear his thoughts on how matter is created from nothing. Some of the people who vote on the Noble Prize would like to hear how it can happen as well.

Let's say you believe in God? Is He mad when you don't believe? Nope, not one bit. Is He happy when you do believe? God is no more happy or less happy regardless of what you do.

What you are not seeing is that, each statement you make is from your point of view. I know it's only natural but try, just once, to see the universe from someone elses point of view. Then maybe, try to see it from God's point of view.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Sunstone

But the mere ease with which we swallow things does not prove them true.

Do you think a person who has died from multiple trauma on a table in a hospital and then come back to life and suddenly is positive that there is an afterlife has swallowed something with ease?

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Hmm, lets see, my ego needs to aggrandize itself by identifying with a deity huh?

Umm, how exactly have I identified with this diety?

Have you not become emotionally attached to the concept of deity?

People identify with things all the time, SU. Some people become emotionally attached to a sports team. Some people become emotionally attached to a brand of household detergent. Some people become emotionally attached to their jobs. Some people become emotionally attached to a type of behavior. And so on and so forth... Study Buddhism. Attachment is a common occurrence.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Do you think a person who has died from multiple trauma on a table in a hospital and then come back to life and suddenly is positive that there is an afterlife has swallowed something with ease?

Your statement equivocates on the word ease or easy.

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Let's say you believe in God? Is He mad when you don't believe? Nope, not one bit. Is He happy when you do believe? God is no more happy or less happy regardless of what you do.

Then, what does it matter? Why is the question even important to you if God doesn't care if we believe in him? By the way, did he tell you he doesn't care? Because I'm curious how you know that fact.

What you are not seeing is that, each statement you make is from your point of view.

And, coincidently, each statement you make concerning 'who' god is is from your point of view. Unless your ego is so large you are the first and last authority on God perhaps?

I know it's only natural but try, just once, to see the universe from someone elses point of view. Then maybe, try to see it from God's point of view.

I have my dear....many, many, many, many times in my life. Why else would I be a member of a Religious Forum?

[Inky]

It seems to me that "nothing, then God, then universe" or "God, then universe", as timelines, are no more likely than "nothing, then universe" or just "universe". Adding God just bumps the question back a step; it doesn't really solve anything.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Let's say you believe in God? Is He mad when you don't believe? Nope, not one bit. Is He happy when you do believe? God is no more happy or less happy regardless of what you do.

Why assume that?