Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I found no answers in my "scientific athiest" days. The only thing I came up with were questions.

The measure of a man is the questions he's willing to ask, and not the answers to which he clings.

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

The measure of a man is the questions he's willing to ask, and not the answers to which he clings.
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True. And, the more questions one asks the more likely the answers may change.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

True. And, the more questions one asks the more likely the answers may change.

And how much those changes are reflections of the observer's own growth. "I am" is a misnomer - one that's very difficult to fix in English. Identity should be in the imperfective aspect: "I am becoming" is about the closest you can get.

[Buttercup]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

And how much those changes are reflections of the observer's own growth. "I am" is a misnomer - one that's very difficult to fix in English. Identity should be in the imperfective aspect: "I am becoming" is about the closest you can get.

The tragedy is this philosophy is often taken as a negative aspect of one's life.....so many regard the staid and stagnant as the way to truth. How can one find truth if you're merely walking in place all your life?

[Jose Fly]

Buttercup,

the more questions one asks the more likely the answers may change

Also, the questions one avoids say more about that person and his position than the ones he answers.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Jose Fly

Also, the questions one avoids say more about that person and his position than the ones he answers.

Exactly, Jose, the odd thing is knowledge is that it isn't dependant on what brilliant answers one has, the true measure, as stated, is in the unflagging ability to ask excellent questions. As any good lawyer (as well as many other professions) will agree, if you don't ask good questions you will always have to deal with lousy answers.
Garbage out; garbage in.

[methylatedghosts]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

Interesting, but you aren't really saying anything of particular importance. As usual, we are left to take your word for it. Dig it, S_U there are no coincidences, period. Why would your vision make you sound like a hypocrite? That is an odd thing to say. Were you fervently anti-religious? Heck, I started babbling after a day or two but simply learned that I wasn't explaining things very well AND more importantly, people couldn't relate to what I was blathering on about. So... I shut up for three decades, and in the process I discovered how to speak my mind and make sense at the same time. That, my friend, is no small feat.

No it isn't! I'm still trying to work my way around it. Oh, and the other thing I struggle with is finding people who will listen to me long enough to explain everything lol!

I get disturbed by those who advise clamping down on aspects of being. Control your emotions and you will cut yourself off from some of the greatest experiences the human animal is capable of. THAT is part of the problem with our society, imho. If people want to be truly happy they will have to learn to FEEL their emotions and learn what gives rise to those incredibly powerful feelings. My guess is that you have not learned this nugget yet.

Ymir, not even I have fully begun listening to all my emotions and searching what gives rise to them. I still put them aside much of the time. THAT is not an easy thing to unlearn, I feel. Every now and then I manage to catch hold of an emotion and dwell on it a little but much of the time they slide on past. But I'm learning, so I guess that's a plus!

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I called myself a scientific athiest. I guess it meant that science replaced God in my belief of the time. I did not turn my back on science, in fact it has given me great support in finding the truth. But I absolutely do not worship the scientists. I appreciate their work and dedication but they deserve much less credit than the stardom they receive for discovering something they did not create.

Would you rather that we just lay back in the warm and fuzzy knowledge that "Goddidit!" It is not likely that clerics of any stripe are going to offer real answers about our physical reality, based on past performance, and so why would we not pat scientists on their collective heads? Your words sound hollow, my friend.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I don't know what your views are because you never start threads. The only time I see you post is when you are criticizing me.

That statement tells me more about you than anything else. I post fairly often in many other threads. Perhaps you need to get out and about more often on RF.
For your edification, here are two excellent threads. The first one I agreed to, making it possible, and therefore could be considered a co-creator. The second is indeed my own thread. You could simply perform an advanced search on YmirGF to see you are hardly my lone target. Heck, ask any of the resident Muslims, lol.

1. What is the deal with YmirGF? (an interview)
2. Mystics Only: Extended Discussion

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Yeah, that simple vision was it for a long time. Then I received another about 15 years later but I couldn't handle it, it was way too much, way too fast, the conscious human mind just can't handle the high frequency, that's why revelations come during sleep or meditation, which is essentially learning to be aware while putting the mind to sleep.

Hmmm. I could teach you methods to overcome this weakness.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

My beliefs keep me from direct communication? I don't know if it's that.

If you do not think that is the case than I rather suspect that you do not fully appreciate the power of your own belief structures and how they influence your experience of reality.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I receive little reminders that I am doing what I am supposed to be doing, not from God though, from my guardian angel. Not everyone is able to become the next Christ. I'm happy being a worker bee.

You might want to read my position on visions and perceptions of so-called "angels" and a possible reason why some feel they see them. In essence it is merely inexperience and simple misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I'm well aware of the The Celestine Prophecy.

*shivers noticably* -- Surely you can't be serious that you take the Celestine Prophecy seriously?

Originally Posted by Super Universe

When my vision came, I had been debating religion with someone who was raised Southern Baptist and even though he could not answer any of my questions he would still say "I believe". I could not tell him that I had been changed because I still did not have any of the answers I thought were so important.

It is never the answers that ARE important for pity sakes. It is the ablitly to ask intelligent questions.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Tell you who I am? I am 11:11. Who are you?

Ok then. Do I call you "Eleven, colon, eleven" or perhaps simply 22. I don't pay much attention to scriptures perhaps you could humor an old fool with a specific answer to a good question. No dodging the bullet -- just let it all hang out.

Who am I? I am simply a friend of the family.