Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Jose Fly]

S-U,

Are you going to answer the OP or not?

You've already stated that the OP was intended specifically for someone else. So why is you answering questions I've asked you repeatedly contingent upon me answering questions you intended for someone else?

As I said, the more effort and time you put into avoiding my questions, the more weight you give to the notion that you can't answer them.

So once again...

Evidence? I provided it, many times. Once again here it is, I'll take the universe.

Simply saying the word "universe" does not constitute providing evidence for your assertions any more than saying "wheelbarrow" constitutes providing evidence that badgers sectretly run the world.

Do you think anyone would find that at all compelling? No? Now you understand how we view your response.

Again, either you have evidence to support your assertions or you don't. The more effort and time you put into dodging providing any, the more credence you give to the notion that you have none.

What's your evidence against God or is your only argument simply going to be "I'm not convinced"?

You're the one making the positive assertion, i.e. that God exists. Therefore it falls upon you to substantiate that assertion.

You compare life to... calcium?

No. You need to pay closer attention.

You stated that life is non-natural and justified that assertion by arguing that if it wasn't, it would be everywhere in the universe. I simply applied your "logic" to something else, i.e. calcium. Calcium is natural, yet it is not everywhere in the universe. I therefore demonstrated that "natural" does not require "must be everywhere in the universe", thus exposing the fatal flaw in your argument.

If you disagree, I'll ask again: Does "natural" = "exists in every location in the universe"? If so, why?

Where can you find spirit in a cell? Where can you find neutrino's in an atom?

You're dodging yet another direct question. I said absolutely nothing about neutrinos.

Again: Where can I find "spirit" in a cell? What does it look like? What are its components?

The more effort and time you put into dodging these questions, the more weight you give to the notion that you can't answer them.

I seriously don't know what YOU think drives chemical reactions.

You were the one who asked if "EMR" drives chemical reactions in an apparent objection to my stating that chemistry is driven by energy.

Do you disagree that chemistry is driven by energy?

[UnTheist]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

You do crap yourself? Hmm, you grow your own food? Do you grow and stitch your own wool for clothes? Fix your own teeth? Cut your own hair? Do you have an outhouse that you dug and built yourself? Do you have a car that you found all the metal ore for and fabricated into a vehicle all on your own?

Wow, I wonder what this has to do with me not believing in God.

When you asked "Are you mad because God isn't helping you" I thought you meant God helping me with my problems. And my answer was suppose to be like "I deal with my own problems and don't blame God for them." I guess I didn't say it correctly before.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by LogDog

Your rhetoric has become tiresome. Good day I bid you.

C ya...

[Bathsheba]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

People are so afraid to talk about themselves. I wonder why?

Are you on any medication?

[capslockf9]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

What is the reason you don't believe in God? Or the reason you're not absolutely positively sure God exists?

I'd guess the number one reason is because people see bad things happening all around them and can't understand why God would allow it to happen.

How would you rate the other reasons not to believe?

Now the key question, where would you rate your own ego as a reason and do you realize it's the main reason?

I KNOW that the biblical character is make-believe.

[Papersock]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

You want proof of God? Start your own topic on it, this thread is asking if you know why you don't believe and not a single one of you athiests have answered the OP yet. What are you all afraid of?

It looked to me like several atheists answered your OP question. Maybe you're just not getting the answer you want. What answer do you want to hear?

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Bathsheba

Are you on any medication?

Orange juice...

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

I found no answers in my "scientific athiest" days. The only thing I came up with were questions.

That is a rather odd way to put it S_U. Curiously I never turned my back on science and as I don't believe in the "god" outlined in any current religion of man -- you could label me an atheist because I do not believe in those primitive "models" of "god". You speak of a more advanced Theory of God but I can't help but wonder if my views already surpasses your own. At least, for the most part, mine make sense.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

The vision changed me instantly. I knew positively, 100%, without a doubt that God exists and that He created the universe.

Um... that's it? There wasn't quite a bit more? I too, could say the same thing, but I understand that such thinking is not especially helpful for others to hear. Aside from the above, my experiences stood my concepts of god on their head. God wasn't anything like what I would have expected had I been a religious snot.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

No vision comes from God. The frequency of His energy is much too high for direct communication to take place.

I tend to agree with door #1 however I am simply amused by door #2. So, in essence, you have placed your hand on the cookie jar but are unable to put your hand inside. That is a great pity. You do realize that it is your beliefs that keep you from direct communication, correct?

Originally Posted by Super Universe

How do I know my vision was scheduled to happen before I was born? After I had the vision I pretty much ignored it because I didn't know how to explain it to my friends and didn't want to seem like a hipocrite but I soon realized that there had been many other highly improbable coincidences that tried to prepare/warn me of the coming vision.

Interesting, but you aren't really saying anything of particular importance. As usual, we are left to take your word for it. Dig it, S_U there are no coincidences, period. Why would your vision make you sound like a hypocrite? That is an odd thing to say. Were you fervently anti-religious? Heck, I started babbling after a day or two but simply learned that I wasn't explaining things very well AND more importantly, people couldn't relate to what I was blathering on about. So... I shut up for three decades, and in the process I discovered how to speak my mind and make sense at the same time. That, my friend, is no small feat.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

But the final topping was... I remembered who I am.

A familiar concept. Tell me and be honest... who are you exactly? Is it perhaps a secret?

Originally Posted by Super Universe

When you ask me these questions it's obvious that you haven't given this detailed thought just as I had not. It's far beyond impossible for the universe to create itself in such complexity. I know you won't accept it but there is purpose in the design. The universe is a huge school of learning and the earth is first grade, heaven is like earning your doctorate.

Well, then I must be doing my post doctorate work then, lol as I left thoughts of minor places like "heaven" behind long, long ago.

Originally Posted by Super Universe

So many of you think God does not exist because you are not happy, use those bad experiences to learn, mature and evolve above them, be a better being because of it and then you will understand.

Oh good lord, S_U that is a terribly simplistic attitude to take. So you are saying that happiness can only be found in believing in "god"? I beg to differ and I have enjoyed a state of uninterrupted bliss for decades now. I wonder why that is?

Originally Posted by Super Universe

It wasn't intended by God that you learn things the hard way but when those hard days come don't miss out on the incredible chance to become stronger. Control your emotions, don't let them control you.

I get disturbed by those who advise clamping down on aspects of being. Control your emotions and you will cut yourself off from some of the greatest experiences the human animal is capable of. THAT is part of the problem with our society, imho. If people want to be truly happy they will have to learn to FEEL their emotions and learn what gives rise to those incredibly powerful feelings. My guess is that you have not learned this nugget yet.