Do You Know Why You Don't Believe? (beliefs, experience, atheist)

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by s2a

Hi.

Yawn...



Well...DUH.

There have been many names given to God and in the coming millenia there may be many more. This is because God is not simple.

Well geez...does god have a permanent address (and not just a PO box), or a phone number then? If you god wants everyone to accept his, um..."existence"; then can we at least expect a contact form, mailing address, or website to interact with this "God"?

I know that angers you, you want to know now, you feel you have a right to know but you can only teach so much to an ant.

Angered? Nope.

Not in the least...and I neither claim nor exercise any especial "rights" to which I feel revelations unto HIS WORD are fairly expectant or due to such lowly life forms as humans. The only question I would then forward is...why would such a god/deity/entity inform a species like ours just enough to contemplate and evaluate it's own personalized ends...just to confound us all, and treat with us as if we were ants? If our species is that stupid and insignificant to "god", then why should hat god give a lick about our course or outcomes?

You have to wait for it to evolve higher sentience before you can introduce more advanced concepts. If you really want to know then stop being an ant.

And...ya see...

...what angers people like myself the most...are the heedless and braggart "true believers" and the rest of the "most high" pious claimants of some unique and universally grand insight/wisdom that (self-gratifyingly) exceeds and defies ALL human understanding.

If your "god" exceeds all human understanding or comprehension...then what/whom is left for our species to accept as ANY incontrovertible truth? By your outline, NO ONE can be said to fairly and completely understand/explain "god"...so by fair enough extrapolation...ANYONE who claims to possess such an "insight/understanding" ...is but another "ant" within a widespread colony of sentient (albeit confused) ants.

Which is it then?

Is your "god" comprehensible by our species in any sustaining and/or meaningful way, or not?

If not, then what should we conclude regarding those that claim to (yet) fairly understand and accurately "interpret" whatever their "god" says....

If "god" is comprehensible...then why would any such "god" rely upon human frailties and doubts as a pathway to enlightenment and informed comprehension (in deliverance unto truth) as to the 'true" nature of "god"?

If I was seeking to dominate a colony of ants (or the occasionally singular upstart ant), I'd at least show my humongus magnifying glass as some "God inspired" rationale.


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Well put....

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by s2a

Hi.

Yawn...



Well...DUH.

There have been many names given to God and in the coming millenia there may be many more. This is because God is not simple.

Well geez...does god have a permanent address (and not just a PO box), or a phone number then? If you god wants everyone to accept his, um..."existence"; then can we at least expect a contact form, mailing address, or website to interact with this "God"?

I know that angers you, you want to know now, you feel you have a right to know but you can only teach so much to an ant.

Angered? Nope.

Not in the least...and I neither claim nor exercise any especial "rights" to which I feel revelations unto HIS WORD are fairly expectant or due to such lowly life forms as humans. The only question I would then forward is...why would such a god/deity/entity inform a species like ours just enough to contemplate and evaluate it's own personalized ends...just to confound us all, and treat with us as if we were ants? If our species is that stupid and insignificant to "god", then why should hat god give a lick about our course or outcomes?

You have to wait for it to evolve higher sentience before you can introduce more advanced concepts. If you really want to know then stop being an ant.

And...ya see...

...what angers people like myself the most...are the heedless and braggart "true believers" and the rest of the "most high" pious claimants of some unique and universally grand insight/wisdom that (self-gratifyingly) exceeds and defies ALL human understanding.

If your "god" exceeds all human understanding or comprehension...then what/whom is left for our species to accept as ANY incontrovertible truth? By your outline, NO ONE can be said to fairly and completely understand/explain "god"...so by fair enough extrapolation...ANYONE who claims to possess such an "insight/understanding" ...is but another "ant" within a widespread colony of sentient (albeit confused) ants.

Which is it then?

Is your "god" comprehensible by our species in any sustaining and/or meaningful way, or not?

If not, then what should we conclude regarding those that claim to (yet) fairly understand and accurately "interpret" whatever their "god" says....

If "god" is comprehensible...then why would any such "god" rely upon human frailties and doubts as a pathway to enlightenment and informed comprehension (in deliverance unto truth) as to the 'true" nature of "god"?

If I was seeking to dominate a colony of ants (or the occasionally singular upstart ant), I'd at least show my humongus magnifying glass as some "God inspired" rationale.


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Does God have a permanent address? Yes, everywhere.

If God wants everyone to accept this... Uh, you don't have a choice. The universe is His way, not yours. If you don't like it, well, that's just too damn bad, there isn't anything you can do about it.

God has never revealed or informed any human. That would violate the purpose of the earth to exist. People do have revelations but they come from their soul, a fragment of God that separated from Him. You do not have to be confounded, you simply choose to be because it gives you an excuse to be angry for the person you are. You could figure it all out if you truly wanted to.

Humanity is not stupid and insignificant but some people are. Wisdom doesn't defy all human understanding. Sigh... Like a prodigy child who quits when things get a little bit tougher.

At this point the totality of God exceeds human comprehension but there is enough that you can understand to keep you busy. What do you know of the atom? 10% maybe, still that 10% is enough for you to create the atom bomb and nuclear energy.

God does not rely upon human frailties as a pathway to enlightenment. We'll get a great deal of help, a universe full of help, just not yet, not here, and not now. You have to finish kindergarden before you can learn about physics.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

God has never revealed or informed any human. That would violate the purpose of the earth to exist.

So, why do you defend the Abrahamic idea of God?

[s2a]

Hello SuperUniverse,

You offered:

Does God have a permanent address? Yes, everywhere.

Cool.

Tell me then what to write in the address box when I wish to FedEx Him a clock/radio?

If God wants everyone to accept this... Uh, you don't have a choice.

Ummm...yes...I do. I am a skeptic...ya know...;-)

The universe is His way, not yours. If you don't like it, well, that's just too damn bad, there isn't anything you can do about it.

If your imagined god was real and existent...perhaps that claim would be merited. Since HE chooses to remain invisible and inaccessible by any/all physical means...I'll just have to fairly conclude that your claim of an existent "god" is bunk...and that's just too damn bad....

God has never revealed or informed any human.

Evidently enough.

That would violate the purpose of the earth to exist.

It would?

What then is that "purpose" that He has since refused to reveal or inform any human of any such a "purpose"? How do YOU know what that "purpose" may be, if "god" didn't (couldn't/wouldn't) tell you?

People do have revelations but they come from their soul, a fragment of God that separated from Him. You do not have to be confounded, you simply choose to be because it gives you an excuse to be angry for the person you are. You could figure it all out if you truly wanted to.

I can.
I have.
What you suggest is certainly not beyond any human capacities of intellect or personal conscience. Both qualities may exist in the utter and complete absence of any attributed deity or claimed supernatural entity. What need or explanation does then your "god" fulfill?

Humanity is not stupid and insignificant but some people are. Wisdom doesn't defy all human understanding. Sigh... Like a prodigy child who quits when things get a little bit tougher.

Yawn. Waiting for some clarifying profundity on your part...

At this point the totality of God exceeds human comprehension but there is enough that you can understand to keep you busy. What do you know of the atom? 10% maybe, still that 10% is enough for you to create the atom bomb and nuclear energy.

What?

What?

(Human) Ignorance is real...but both the search for understanding, and any human relevance to discoverable facts...is but our species effort to overcome that (both implied and intangible) ignorance and lacking comprehension of relevant realities.

To indulge your inanities (for but a moment)...what did anyone "know" of nuclear energy, particle physics, or even the planet Neptune 500 years ago?

All your argument forwards is some static and unalterable dynamic of human existence and any of it's prospective revelations. Our species continues to unveil the wonders of the cosmos and our own personal existence within the relevant and insightful discoveries and explanations of the world in which we reside. Does your "god" seek to limit or inhibit those revelations, or not? If not...then one day humans may come to understand 99.9999% of the fundamental aspects of nuclear energy and physics. Then what? On to something else...

God does not rely upon human frailties as a pathway to enlightenment.

Sez you...but as your argument suggests...you can offer no informed certainty of any kind as to the mind or motives of your claimed "god".

We'll get a great deal of help, a universe full of help, just not yet, not here, and not now. You have to finish kindergarden before you can learn about physics.

I'll feel confident enough in not looking to you to inform me as to the intricacies or abstract concepts that "physics" presents us with today.

I don't believe in insoluble "mysteries". I accept that any discovery leads to further inquiry in any search of greater understanding and comprehensive appreciation of the cosmos as it is, or seems to be. Either your "god" is a willing aide, or a conspiring and self-serving hindrance to such discoveries. It would seem that "He" just doesn't matter one way or the other.

[JerryG]

Does God have a permanent address? Yes, everywhere.

That is a true answer. We live within the mind and body of God. The universe is composed of a large series of light speed energies. We are light speed 1 enerrgy. (186,000 miles per second) God goes up toward light speed infinity. Thus our entire universe is no larger than a single human mind time wise. The mind of God is a multi-light speed entity.
Our souls are composed of energy thousands of our light speed. Yet we do not own our souls. They are part of God.
We are defined as our body (DNA code number plus our soul)

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by JerryG

That is a true answer. We live within the mind and body of God.

Then is hell is part of God's body?

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Then is hell is part of God's body?

Yeah. Just don't ask which part...