Amoral & mentally incompetent? (priests, Earth, Kingdom, myth, bible)

[LogDog]

If a god exists and is amoral, all tangible benefits would be distributed indiscriminately without any regard for a person's needs or worldview. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

If a god exists and is mentally incompetent, just like some mentally incompetent people do, he would sometimes help people, and sometimes kill people. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

[Super Universe]

No, not true at all. Just because a being, any being, lives outside of any moral judgement DOES NOT mean it would distribute benefits at all.

Your second scenario is just ridiculous. God never killed anyone, He never harmed anyone, He never tempted anyone or hardened mens hearts. The bible is wrong because ancient priests were idiots and thought the wind and storms were an act of God.

The scenario you have today is this, whiny little babies who think they are adults complaining because God only gave them life when they wanted rich and famous life.

[frg001]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

The scenario you have today is this, whiny little babies who think they are adults complaining because God only gave them life when they wanted rich and famous life.

What about the actual little babies, that are stillborn, or born with terminal conditions?

I have to say, that if there is a god, and my 99.99999999% disbelieve is incorrect, then it is either mentally incompetent or amoral. It's situations such as this that removed the last glimmer of possibility in my head at a very young age.

[Ozzie]

Originally Posted by LogDog

If a god exists and is amoral, all tangible benefits would be distributed indiscriminately without any regard for a person's needs or worldview. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

If a god exists and is mentally incompetent, just like some mentally incompetent people do, he would sometimes help people, and sometimes kill people. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

Nonsensical question. You can do better.

[!Fluffy!]

Originally Posted by LogDog

If a god exists and is amoral, all tangible benefits would be distributed indiscriminately without any regard for a person's needs or worldview. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

If a god exists and is mentally incompetent, just like some mentally incompetent people do, he would sometimes help people, and sometimes kill people. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

Originally Posted by frg001

What about the actual little babies, that are stillborn, or born with terminal conditions?

I have to say, that if there is a god, and my 99.99999999% disbelieve is incorrect, then it is either mentally incompetent or amoral. It's situations such as this that removed the last glimmer of possibility in my head at a very young age.

I'm just wondering where you got your ideas about what is and isn't "moral" or "fair".

Certainly this ideal morality you refer to isn't shared by the rest of the mammals in the animal kingdom is it? Where or what is this ideal fantasy-world you seem to be basing all your judgements on? Has it ever existed? Where do you get the idea that babies "shouldn't" be stillborn, or everyone "should" have enough to eat?

Has anything on earth ever lead you to believe that it ever was or will be any different than it has been from the beginning of history? Why would anyone judge a god or this world based on ideas about some different world from your imagination that never existed?

Are you basing all your expectations or ideals on some kind of a myth about "the way things should be"??? Where'd you get your measuring stick for how the world is supposed to operate??

It just seems like a weird fantastical concept. If you look at it from say, a dog's point of view, life is what it is. They take it as it comes. Dogs don't sit around and wonder why life is unfair, or why disobedient dogs have more toys than good dogs. They live in the world as they have always known it. So does every creature on earth.

So I really want to know, what makes you think anything is bad or wrong or missing from the world the way it is and always has been?

[Fluffy]

The scenario you have today is this, whiny little babies who think they are adults complaining because God only gave them life when they wanted rich and famous life.

Yeah good point. Africans should just stop whining so much. I hear AIDS isn't all that bad. I mean, they get to live for a short while at least!

Or to put it another way, your viewpoint seems easy to support if you are not living in absolute poverty. However, the argument you are attempting to refute is indeed talking about absolute poverty and not the relative poverty that you accuse of being too whiny. Indeed it seems to lack sufficient empathy with those who do live in such conditions.

Not that I think the argument you are refuting is correct. But I do take issue with the accusation that all people who aren't happy with the lot they were arbitrarily given in life are whiny children especially when that lot wasn't just randomly determined but given by a god they are supposed to be grateful towards.

If it really isn't all that bad then I suggest you swap positions with somebody who is living that life since they will be happier for it and you won't mind because you get to be alive still.

[UnTheist]

I love you, Fluffy. Excellent post.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by LogDog

If a god exists and is amoral, all tangible benefits would be distributed indiscriminately without any regard for a person's needs or worldview. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

If a god exists and is mentally incompetent, just like some mentally incompetent people do, he would sometimes help people, and sometimes kill people. How is that scenario any different from the scenario that we have today?

Morality is a human construct, designed to keep people from hurting themselves and others. You're assigning human attributes to God.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by UnTheist

When God was suppose to have a 'plan' for every Human on earth, but they soon realize they were lied to.

A very gnostic POV from someone who calls himself "untheist..."

[UnTheist]

Originally Posted by sojourner

A very gnostic POV from someone who calls himself "untheist..."

Yeah, my statement was unreasonable. I guess it doesn't matter how much you suffer on earth, as long as you get eternal bliss in the afterlife.