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Old 10-12-2007, 12:49 AM
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Theists have no corner of morality, which comes from within, not without.
*whispers*

BTW - Regarding your quote, bertrand Russell should have read LDS scriptures. Ours praise intelligence quite frequently.

ok, on with the discussion...
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:41 AM
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The Bible says many contradictory things. It says that you should love your neighbour, but it also says an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. You can make your own morality from it, be it good or bad.
And people have done that. The "eye for an eye" clause was originally meant to be mitigatory. What it means in today's lingo is: "Let the punishment fit the crime." People were being killed for what we would consider to be minor offenses. "Let the punishment fit the crime" mitigates this excessive punishment.

Jesus takes the mitigation even further. When citing that law, he says, "You have heard it said, 'an eye for an eye.' But I tell you to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you."

There is no contradiction present here. There is a slight reversal, but the general thrust is to admonish us to do what it hospitable and loving.

It is our own hermeneutical problem that is to blame -- not the Bible.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:46 AM
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And how did it originally become a matter of law? Because people believed it to be true.
I believe it was given by God to Moses on Mt. Sinai. It's part of the Mosaic law.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:48 AM
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I am not sure if you can explain the Bible to those who read it and don't believe in it. They understand the words, anyone who reads a bible must have a degree of intelligence. They just don't see it the same way a person who does believe in it will.
I might go so far as to say that without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and a spiritual view, the Bible is almost incomprehensible.
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:30 PM
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Silly. An eye for an eye is a matter of law. Love thy neighbor pertains to people in need. Again, incomplete understanding.
Love thy neighbor only pertains to people in need?
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:35 PM
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Love thy neighbor only pertains to people in need?
All people are in need of love, are they not? Isn't that the point Jesus was pushing in the good Samaritan pericope? The lawyer tried to narrow the field of love by asking, "Who is my neighbor?" Jesus had to broaden that field by including those who were not "lovable" -- all of humanity.
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All people are in need of love, are they not? Isn't that the point Jesus was pushing in the good Samaritan pericope? The lawyer tried to narrow the field of love by asking, "Who is my neighbor?" Jesus had to broaden that field by including those who were not "lovable" -- all of humanity.
Thank´s for the clarification.
I dont know if all people are in need of love though. I can honestly say though that there are people I do not feel love for.( I do not hate them)
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Love thy neighbor only pertains to people in need?
When Jesus was asked to explain who one's neigbor was in relation to loving their neighbor He gave the parable of the Good Samaritan. Do you have futher scripture to clarify the point?
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I dont know if all people are in need of love though.
Do I need to start singing a Beatles song to you - d'oh!

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