Groups criticize McCain for calling U.S. 'Christian nation' (tradition, beliefs)

[Isabella Lecour]

McCain is going to say whatever he thinks will win him funds and votes. The fact that he's so wrong and that there isn't an uproar over it is a testomoney to our education system. It's no wonder that he's always given me the creeps. I fervently pray he hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell of winning the primary.

HB3, thanks for pointing that section out. Too bad I don't have the time to remind Pat Robertson of that particular by picketing them with that "Rom, ch13." Can you immanage the hub bub that would ensue?

[UltraViolet]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Correction: In religious fundamentalist la-la land, the facts are whatever certain approved fact-makers say they are, and the truth is what you are told it is.

In ______________________ (fill in the blank) la-la land,
the facts are whatever certain approved fact-makers say they are, and the truth is what you are told it is.

That's what people get when they turn to other "men" for truth, leadership, authority. That's the WHOLE world system. That's a big part of the reason why I do not vote at all anymore. I have absolutely no desire to live under the authority or rule of ANY governing "fact"-ion, or "state" (of being) "representatives".

What's "representative" of MY state of being,
is "subject" ALONE to MY authorship (authority) in God(UNIverse).
I will allow NO MAN to guide/guile me into his version of "reality".

Leaders want you to follow.
Plain and simple.
That is what MAKES them leaders.
followers, and subjects.

I am neither "follower" or "subject".
So WHY ON EARTH would I cast a vote for a leader?!?

I mean... you GET what you vote for...right?

[Seyorni]

Religion, the Abramic flavors in particular, tends to act as a brake on social change. Religion picks and chooses scriptures and doctrines that support a conservative compliance with prevailing social values. It does not matter what these values are. The scriptures are flexible and ambiguous.

No matter how far afield Government policy wanders, conservative Christians will always support it and insist this is what the path the founding fathers intended.

[PureX]

McCain had the chance to do something truly great for America. Instead he cowtowed to George Bush, thinking that doing so might get him to the presidency.




Bye bye, John.

[Wandered Off]

Originally Posted by theNEWreality

I mean... you GET what you vote for...right?

Wrong. I almost never get what I vote for.

[madhatter85]

Self-Described Religious Identification of U.S. Adult Population: 1990 and 2001 [12]

Total Christian Population in 1990 - 88.4% and 2001 - 81.1%

Total non-Christian religions Population in 1990 - 3.4% and in 2001 - 3.9%

No Religion/Atheist/Agnostic 1990 - 8.4% and in 2001 - 15.0%

This country Is a Christian Nation by Majority.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by HB3

Anyone who says the United States was founded on Christian principals has obviously missed part of the New Testament. In Romans chapter 13 Paul states that Christians must submit to the governing authorities and he who rebels against government rebels against God. Peter made a similiar statement in the book of 1 Peter. Therefore the American Revolution, which was the founding of the USA, actually violated Christian principles if one accepts the teachings of Paul or Peter.

There are exeptions to that when the ruling authority tries to influence people against the commandmnts of God. For example you would not have found Paul worshipping the emperor of Rome as the supreme God and his God secondarily which was the rule in Rome.

[gnomon]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

Self-Described Religious Identification of U.S. Adult Population: 1990 and 2001 [12]

Total Christian Population in 1990 - 88.4% and 2001 - 81.1%

Total non-Christian religions Population in 1990 - 3.4% and in 2001 - 3.9%

No Religion/Atheist/Agnostic 1990 - 8.4% and in 2001 - 15.0%

This country Is a Christian Nation by Majority.

This country is a Nation dominated by those who claim Christian affiliation. That's the proper and logical way to say it.

To claim that the United States is a Christian Nation implies that the U.S. is controlled by, governs and reacts in a Christian manner. Hardly anything about this country can be stated which would be more idiotic. The history of the U.S. pretty much shows it ****** all over the teachings and parables of Jesus Christ. Why any respectable Christian would associate the history of the U.S. with their religious beliefs either shows complete ignorance or the true nature of their religious belief.

[HB3]

Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger

There are exeptions to that when the ruling authority tries to influence people against the commandmnts of God. For example you would not have found Paul worshipping the emperor of Rome as the supreme God and his God secondarily which was the rule in Rome.

Where would one find those exceptions in the writings of Paul or Peter? At the time Paul wrote this epistle Rome was in authority over Isreal and pretty much the rest of the world. So I would think if Paul and Peter wrote these statements as they appear in scripture, they would be especially talking about Rome. I agree it doesn't make sense, except that Paul, and probably Peter also, thought the end of the world was imminent within their lifetime. So such things as earthly governments were irrelevant to them. Same reason they felt everyone should be celibate - a new generation was unnecessary.